… If thats the case then the ‘mystery’ of that vessels end is all spin then. They knew exactly what happened to that ship from the first debrief of the sonar operators….if any that were on duty when it was hit survived?.

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We wouldn’t have the answer for that for sure , usually only the chosen content can reach our audience’s ear. Truth always subdued to relevant power s’ interests. We see Yanks gain the most from this incident, evidenced in they chased away the Japanese PM they don’t like, kept the Asian outpost in that country and further strengthened their mandate in “Korean peninsular peace mission”. Unexpectedly Gaining little is SK’s president as his party lost local election anyway, reason? The cheonan incident didn’t spur the emotion of the ordinary people as the Politicians initially planned. Having say that, obviously the storyline has to service the purpose. So the obvious question of the sonar soldier still surviving or not really doesn’t matter.

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Russia says sea mine sunk Cheonan: report

July 28, 2010 =-0987

The daily newspaper Hankyoreh reported yesterday that Russia has concluded the sinking of the South Korean warship Cheonan was a sea mine accident, not a torpedo attack by North Korea.

If the report is true, Russia will be the first nation to try to absolve North Korea for the incident, which is considered the most deadly attack on the South’s military since the Korean War.

The Defense Ministry denied the newspaper’s report.

The Hankyoreh report was based on what the vernacular paper claimed is an official document from the Russian government. Titled “Russian Navy experts group’s review of the cause of the sinking of the South Korean ship Cheonan,” the document claimed the explosion that sunk the Cheonan was an accident.

The document was cited as saying that the Cheonan was cruising in a shallow area close to the shore when its propeller got tangled in a net. As the corvette was trying to get into deeper sea, the ship touched an antenna-shaped detonator of a mine, which triggered the explosion. It did not say whether the mine was North Korean.

A Seoul-led multinational investigation in May concluded that the sinking, which killed 46 sailors, was a torpedo attack by the North.

The ministry refuted the Hankyoreh dispatch and the Russian report it supposedly described. “There is no possibility that the Cheonan was exploded after hitting a mine,” said Defense Ministry spokesman Won Tae-jae at a news briefing held yesterday afternoon. Won said Russia has not informed Seoul of the result of its own investigation into the Cheonan case, which he said is still ongoing. “Currently, the Russian team is reviewing materials it collected on their visit to Korea,” he said.

A group of Russian scientists visited South Korea between May 31 to June 7 as a part of the Russian investigation into the Cheonan tragedy. A spokesman of the Russian Embassy in Seoul also told the JoongAng Ilbo that the Russian government has yet to inform Seoul of the result of its investigation.

By Moon Gwang-lip [joe@joongang.co.kr]

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2923819

so.. does this IP right cover the J-15? :diablo:

At least Russians have no issue on that::cool:

Russia has no questions to China about “copying” military equipment

FARNBOROUGH. July 19 (Interfax-AVN) – China is using Russian and Soviet know-how to develop and build aircraft, Alexander Fomin, first deputy head of the Federal Military-Technical Cooperation Service, said at a news conference at the Farnborough air show.

“It is an accomplished fact. China is vigorously developing its defense industry, not without Russia’s assistance, of course,” he said.

The Soviet Union built about 3,000 enterprises, while Russia handed China licenses to make aircraft and components,” he said.

“We handed over a large amount of know-how to China, including information related to the defense industry. It is not surprising that it repeats itself in Chinese products,” he said.

Asked whether China has developed a fighter jet which it claims excels Russia’s Sukhoi Su-33, Fomin said, “I can neither confirm, nor deny this.”

“Concerning the Su-33, Russia did not deliver such planes to China. If our Chinese partners have them, they were not received from Russian sources,” he said.

Fomin said Russia has no questions to China so far. “We have an agreement on the protection of intellectual property rights. If we uncover copyright violations, we will deal with this within the framework of the agreement,” Fomin said.

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(Our editorial staff can be reached at [email]eng.editors@interfax.ru[/email])

http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=178078

… Nope, I think the Russians realize the craptastic quality of their competition and are feeling pretty good about their products & services in comparison.

If it’s the case, Their won’t make so much noise about possible J-11 export and won’t stop the RD93 export to china because it powers the Fc-1, Of which the Russian accused posted a direct threat to the same engine powered Mig29

Yeah….. Too bad they had to rip off the intellectual property of Russia for the airframe.

How are you so sure the same IP right hasn’t been granted to Chinese for their internal usage?! Have you ever heard any official complaint from Sukhoi for your casually accused “rip off” IP? If you know, Jane’s knows, everywhere knows, but the Sukhoi doesn’t know?

Russians concern mostly on possible export of J11, in which scenario, the granted IP right is not covering.

The WS-10 has noticeably larger nozzles than the AL-31FN. The engine as a whole also seems to be heavier. Does that have any affect on performance?

Well, Ws-10’s size is slightly larger than that of AL31F, as confirmed by WS-10’s chief designer, but overall, both engines are more or less the same in size:

AL31F on the left and WS-10 on the right

But meanwhile WS-10 has a greater thrust, when during its endurance test, WS-10’s thrust reached over 120kN when its PLA angle only at 108°, ( the maximum PLA angle usually is 120°, which is coordinated to max thrust), while an AL31N’s max thrust is slightly over 120kn, obviously, WS-10’s max thrust is very close to the 132 kn level as previously expected.

There’re a lot of information from this CCTV report on the WS-10 “taihang” turbofan engine, including the screenshot of the above:

http://military.cntv.cn/program/jskj/20100529/101647.shtml

Finally, after so many years, the WS-10 turbofan engine eventually is showing CLEARLY to people that it has become an elite member of powerplant choices to the highly capable fighterjets.