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Russia has helped in the FC-1(JF-17) and the Chinese still sell it as if they did design it by them selves.

What hype, Russia’s Mikoyan was paid to provide some consultant in FC-1’s design at very early stage. Not Mikoyan designs it ok. CAC has therefore adds in lot of features in PT04 onwards like LERX and DSI intake. Just like you are paid to clean a room and end of the cleaning payment you don’t own the room, understand.

This time if the Chinese want to cheat Russia there are several ways of punishing China, confiscate Chinese goods and destroy them, claim the chinese goods are dangerous like the US toys case or the Japanese chinese dumplings or like Europe and the US are doing hinting of not going to the olympics.

Show us proof of cheat from proper authority or refer to my previous posts and just stop nonsense. You are welcome to do so. Pure nationalism doesn’t help resolve anything.

China won`t win if Europe, Russia, Japan, and the US decide to impose some measures to the Chinese.

The siberian demographics are only important if Russia can not deport the Chinese, the fact they can deport them and China won`t attack Russia knowing Russia has a nuclear stock pile enough to wipe us all us from the earth

Somebody’s wa-wa land, what else you may come out to degrade the debate quality? 😀

That is the reason China signed a contract with Russia, a legal contract valid in both countries also there are WTO venues and interguvernamental commerce agencies, funny now that all the dearly specualation has proven China has no right to build unlicensed version of the Su-27 people start claming to have more right than a russian website when even the reports is not even russian

LoL, only I know country can sign treaty with country but what contract? Only business entity can sign contract with another, which in this specific case is Russia’s Sukhoi and China’s SAC. This is the basic you need to know when you like to talk aloud.

Again, one year on but still the old question, can you show us what contract you refer to that specifies SAC can’t use Su27 aerodynamic design for its own J11B? If you still fail to show, please shut up and stop spamming like last time and just wait and see Sukhoi’s official response, which at present is just mute.

Now at least, the public know China’s aviation industry is manufacturing J11B, which against your previous claim that China won’t manufacture further J11B after the Su27 kits provided by Russia. But yet we see No official complaint or lawsuit raised by Sukhoi so far. Action speaks louder than yelling. It could well be the case that Sukhoi has already given tacit consent to SAC for the latter to use Su27 airframe design for J11B.

KEYWORDS: SHOW US THE CONTRACT OR SHUP UP

China launches first data relay satellite

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-04/26/content_6645911.htm

(Xinhua)
Updated: 2008-04-26 10:17

BEIJING – China lauched the country’s first data relay satellite “Tianlian I” Friday night.

The satellite was launched on a Long March-3C carrier rocket from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in southwest China’s Sichuan Province at 11:35 p.m. (Beijing Time).

China’s first data relay satellite “Tianlian I” blasts off from Xichang Satellite Launching Center in Southwest China’s Sichuan Province April 25, 2008. [Xinhua]

The satellite will not go into function though untill the Shenzhou VII mission scheduled for the second half of 2008.

Developed by China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation, the satellite is the country’s first ever data relay satellite.

It will increase the time Shenzhou VII spaceship in communication with the ground, and improve the amount of data that can be transferred, according to Zhang Jianqi, top official with China’s space programs.

“The Yuanwang space tracking ships along with China’s over ten ground observation stations can only cover 12 percent of Shenzhou VII spaceship’s orbit in the space,” Zhang said.

The “Tianlian I” satellite alone, according to Zhang, can cover 50 percent of the orbit of Shenzhou VII, or any other China’s spacecrafts.

With the help of the satellite, scientists can get more scientific data collected by our satallites without delay, and can know earlier when a malfunction is taking place in China’s spacecrafts, said Zhang.

The launch is the 105th mission of China’s Long March series of rockets, and the first mission of the Long March-3C carrier rocket.

The 55-meter carrier rocket with two boosters is capable of lanuching satellites weighed between 2,600 kilograms to 3,800 kilograms into the space.

A total of seven Long March-3C carrier rockets are now in production, and will carry “several domestic and foreign satellites” to the space, said Chen Minkang, chief designer of the rocket, without further details.

China had planned 10 space launches this year including the Shenzhou VII spaceship.

The Shenzhou VII will be launched from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in the northwestern province of Gansu late in the year and the astronauts will leave their spacecraft for the first time.

China began its manned space program in 1999. It successfully sent Yang Liwei into orbit on the Shenzhou V spacecraft in 2003.

Two years later, Fei Junlong and Nie Haisheng completed a Chinese record of five-day flight on the Shenzhou VI. All returned safely.

Goll. I’d better be wise not go too much into tactic details. TW strait is still too narrow that makes any big boats like FFG or DDG to comfortably operate inside, taking into consider how many AshCMs from both sides are aiming at this narrow waterway. Of course, Type022 ‘s endurance/Seakeeping are no match of that of big boats, but on the other hand, controlling the seaway is also very important when one need amphibious operations there. But big boats’s own survivability in the narrow waterway is questionable at 1st place, how it can control the sea better than the humble 022 FACs whose small/fast/low cost/low observation features make it a better choice to do the job than its bigger brothers? it’s a trade off choice, lose a 022 would break your bank yet an expensive 052b/C will. also, the 022’s stealth features and speed make the enemy more difficult to detect/track and attack.

Do note the 022 FAC doesn’t carry any radar for AshCM fire control yet it does carry some ESMs. From what source are you so sure the Type 022 only carries single weaponry that to your thinking is the YJ-83 antiship missile only? From number of videos we may have seen the YJ-8 missiles do have passive version and it’s not too hard for Chinese to modify the Antiship missile with land attacking ability.

Of course PLA will select a better weather for amphibious operations, this one can be sure so rough sea conditions can be largely eliminated for the 022 catamaran’s seakeeping performance concern.

TW Strait is 100-200kms wide, what endurance are you talking about, I said it can be used for amphibious support like fire support, PLAN will not rely solely on PLAAF for every projection power, and especially PLAAF will have a hard time to cover air itself. Who say the FAC must operate “ inside an amphibious group?”

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Becouse PLAN as a credible Blue water fleet compared to USN in late march of 2008 is a joke. Non existing. If a conflict with USN would now come, PLAN needs to defend its shores. It cannot raise its hand and shout: “Thats unfair, our fleet isent ready yet”
No one is going to invade china yeas, but do you know why? Becouse it has navy to defend it. Its not a blue water navy that has the luxury to dictate the dimensions of the engagement, but a fleet that will still give even a major navy a hell of a time trying to get pass it. .

If in any chance that USN offending the shore, then it will surely do it airborne. But you are suggesting Chinese building a large number of FAC which only bears the ability to attack surface targets for shore defending when the threats are basically shipborne aircrafts? USN vessels will never come so close that within ur coastal boat attack range. There’re far more effective meaning for PLA to explore should USN vessels come that close, to be it SSK or H-6 operating within its own AD umbrella etc.

Nope. You seem to have great ability to ignore the physical limitations of the Craft. It will attack enemy ships, no need to loose your nigth-time sleep after that, but Under shore based network of C4 and other assets, minefields and coastal artillery all under shore based Fighter umbrella.

You simply cannot create imaginary offshore task into ship that cannot sustain long patrols and long periods spend in open seas, what You will need if you want to operate them offensively against Taiwan.

As I said, if the shore based C4 network and airdefence by both SAMs & land based fighters are in place, then FAC like Type 022 is not in urgent need for PLA as hundreds of H-6 & Q-5s & even more other existing FACs are doing the job better. What we have seen is China allows this type of FAC to be built in various yards and allows it to occupy the production capacity even when China openly indicates that it wants to go” blue”.

FACs can’t sustain long patrol/long time etc, but this can be mostly overcome by more numbers of the boat, that’s what we have witness. Obviously Type 022 carries super long range AshCM that no way its own sensor suite can handle it properly. Judged by the fact that PLAN already demonstrated its ability to use Y-8 AEWs to guide offboard launching YJ83, I won’t be surprised Type022 forms part of essential network based warfare doctrine. I agree with PLAWolf, there’re certainly more roles for Type022 FAC than just pure shore defending. It’s very clear that Type022 must have much better datalinking & networking warfare then its precedents that cost China to build them in mass instead of just upgrade the old ones. I think Type 022 can do amphibious supporting. Maybe the YJ-83 it carries also got land attacking version, passive guided version?

PAC-3 has hit manuevering Pershing II RVs in testing (the missiles were scrapped under the INF Treaty but not the RVs.)

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/storm.html

Where does your link specify that “ PAC-3 has hit manuevering Pershing II RVs in testing” ? all it says the Storm II has been launched to provide targets for test of PAC-3, what’s interception rate, could you provide further information? BTW, I never say the PAC-3 can never hit the MRV, only the chance is slim.

Storm II
The Storm II is a single-stage rocket using the SR19-AJ-1 second stage of retired LGM-30F Minuteman II ICBMs. It is normally flown as an MTTV, and as such uses the maneuvering reentry vehicles of discarded MGM-31 Pershing II missiles. The Storm II was first fired on 29 January 1997. It is equipped with a GPS/INS guidance and control system to achieve accurate flight paths, and can launch payloads weighing between 900 kg and 4260 kg (2000-9400 lb). At the time of this writing at least six Storm II rockets have been launched to provide targets for tests of the PAC-3 missile.