You are only talking propaganda the WS-10 is not even ready for the J-10, and China even bought AL-31s for J-10s and Su-27s last years the Taihan WS-10 is only propaganda that is not ready for service and still inferior to the AL-31 that is only propaganda of the Chinese sicne the continue buying Al-31s, same like the Chinese Jumbo, Bombardier and Embraer do build aircraft like the CRJ-900 and E-195 and they need a market and is not easy to gain a foothold in the market specially since Russia, Canada and brazil are struggling to even remain competitive in the RJ class now that even Japan will be added and china has the ARJ-121, China is bluffing when they are saying we are going to build a Jumbo they need a Market even the A-380 is a machine that almost has banckrupt Airbus.

Recipient China

Weapon designation AL-31FN jet engines
No. ordered 100

Year(s) of deliveries 2008-2009
Contract value, mln USD 320
Notes For Chinese J-10 (Super-10) fighters

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Major Identified Deliveries of Russian Arms in 2007

Recipient China
Weapon
designation AL- jet engines
No. ordered 180

Year of contract 2005
Year(s) of deliveries 2006-2007
Delivered in 2007
Delivered by 2008, units 140

Notes complete
Contract value – 550 mln USD. For Chinese Su-27/30 fighters previously bought in Russia

mln USD
units

http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/4-2007/item_5/article_2/AL- jet engines

Russia has the large Il-96 and still the aircraft is not competitive compared to the B-777, B-747, A-340 or A-380

Lol, to the reality denier, every thing is propaganda, if one stays long enough in this board, your credibility of arguing Chinese military stuff compared to more reputed member in this area, is bankrupted long time ago. So, besides WS-10A, what else had been labeled “ propaganda” by you & the clique?

A quick recall will be: J-10 is propaganda of PS work, J11B is never existed because otherwise it has broken the Sino-Russia agreement.:rolleyes: Now, even WS-10A, which is powering J11B as even admitted by your very beloved Russians. The list goes on, no, you appeared numberless times in Chinese military related thread, throwing as much hot air and bubbles as you can. But seldom make anything right.

This time around won’t be exceptional, which your new twist is: the WS-10A till 2008 now, is only a propaganda. Instead, photo image already showed one regiment of PLAAF 1st Division has inducted J11B.

The National Engineering Research Center for high end CNC located in Shengyang has developed series 5 to 8 axis CNC tooling with IP copyrights. The indigenous Lantian CNC was used to machine various parts for indigenous turbofan engine of WS-10A.

Impeller of internal combustion made by Lantian CNC

National Engineering Research Center For High-End CNC

since SAC Liming plant using the Lantian( Blue-sky) 5-axis CNC, it now achieves parts surface roughness to 0.01 um grade( 1/1000th thickness of a piece of hair ), and its speed can be up to 10000r/m to machine out a cone shape part with a thickness of only 0.8cm with a roughness of 0.08um. as reported by Chinese CCTV several years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvDSqxNGlxs

Meanwhile, china is building world largest 80000 ton grade Press Forge:

China Builds World’s Largest Press Forge, Paves Way for Jumbos

http://www.amtonline.org/document_display.cfm/section_id/15/document_id/64870/arcdate/12-2007/chinabuildsworld’slargestpressforgepaveswayforjumbos

December 10, 2007 — China has started the building of an 80,000-ton press forge in Deyang, in the southwestern Sichuan Province, paving the way for making large planes, a longtime dream of the nation.

The project, with an investment of 1.517 billion yuan (US$204.7 million), has won the approval of the National Development and Reform Commission and is expected to be the world’s largest when it is finished in two and a half years, said Zeng Xiangdong, project director and vice general manager of China National Erzhong Group Co. on Friday.

A large die-hydraulic press forge is one of the key instruments in making jumbo planes. Only a few countries, including the United States, Russia and France, have such facilities, according to Zeng.

The current largest press forge is 75,000-tons and is owned by Russia. All the press forges currently in China are below 40,000 tons, which are unfit for making key parts of very large planes and hence hinder the development of the aviation industry, equipment and manufacturing.

Chen Xiaoci, vice director of the press forge project, said the machine is designed by China National Erzhong Group and built in the company’s compound. The company has produced more than 400,000 die-forgings during the past 30-odd years for China’s aviation industry, used in all the models of Chinese airplanes. China started to build very large aircraft in 1970, only two years after Airbus went into production, but the project was later shelved despite a promising start. After a decades-long suspension, the central government last year revived the blueprint in the 11th five-year plan (2006-2010) in order to meet the country’s growing demand for air travel.
To prepare for the very large plane project, China began building its own regional jet, the ARJ-21 — meaning “advanced regional jet for the 21st century” — in 2002.

Only the United States, Russia, France, Germany, Britain and Spain currently have the ability to build very large aircraft, with the United State’s Boeing and Europe’s Airbus taking the lion’s share of the international market.

Source: Asia Pulse

Rosoboronexport posted the news, rosoboronexport press releases are only about international arms shows and are not related about daily news, however the news are posted in the media watch of rosoboronexport, rosoorexport posts news that are true they would not post lies you are saying that rosobornexport posted lies so then the Mi-17 assembly of China is also a lie?

you are just following a loop and fail thinking it is not smart even if you post the emoticon with a little devil face smiling, it does not make your smarter for sure

Does the news quoted any authorized statement from Rosoboronexport? Or would you like to review your Wiki course on NEWS?

Even not clear on ABC, how to talk on Shakespeare?

So what is the official announcement and not a news only, here is the example, which comes directly from the president of Sukhoi and he is promoting the co-operation between Sukhoi and Chinese partner.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080523/108160624.html

Russia’s Sukhoi prepared to cooperate with China

09:50 | 23/ 05/ 2008

BEIJING, May 23 (RIA Novosti) – Russia’s Sukhoi aircraft manufacturer is ready to cooperate with China in civilian aircraft development projects, the company’s CEO said on Friday.

Mikhail Pogosyan said China has shown an interested in a new modification of the Superjet 100 medium-haul passenger airliner.

“The Chinese market is so vast that [we] have a good chance of finding potential customers without competing with China’s ARJ-21 regional airliner program,” he said.

He said that Sukhoi’s products are aimed at the global market.
“Cooperation is a promising area, since competition in the world market requires greater integration,” the executive said.

The Superjet 100 project is a family of medium-range passenger aircraft developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau in cooperation with major American and European aviation corporations, including Boeing, Snecma, Thales, Messier Dowty, Liebherr Aerospace, and Honeywell.

The market for the Superjet 100 is estimated at around $100 billion for around 5,500 planes, up to 2023.

Flooggy, you can write to him directly to highlight whatever BS you have instead of throwing them here. :diablo:

Lol. For someone flashing around “news” as the proof of any authorization bound with legal power.

No matter where it appears, news is news, and can’t be stolen the concept as anyone’s official publically declared standing.

For the one infamous for spamming, Wiki is the starting point for your long journey of learning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News

Unless he shows us what exactly the “Su27SK Agreement” is ( as I already required so one month ago and keep requiring), and show us what clauses in the said agreement exactly asserted his high db violation charge. Otherwise, we can treat someone’s behavior typically ranting and nonsense as usual.

There is a small detail you do not realize any license does say how many aircrafta re allowed to build, in the Chinese case the number was for 200 kits, no more.

Japan also built the F-15, didi the breached the number and sold F-15 to third parties? no they did not.

Japan built the F-4 did they built more than allowed by Mc Donnel Douglas? no they did not.

India is building Su-30MKIs can they build more than the speified number by sukhoi? no they do not.

All the suppossition is Russia can not sue China and do nothing but that is not the case, if you break an agreement the other side will react, how imposing some other economic punishments, in this case dangerous toys, destruction of illegal products or simply not buying you or selling you products you might need.

Russian has already informed China about the illegality of that, now we have to see what russia is going to do in concrete. but that the Russians are already complaigning is fact

Why you quote Japan and India when China’s own practice on other license built aircraft and aviation product always follows the same pattern of what we see in J11B case?

When license building of Eurocopter AS 365N Dauphin II, the initial number is 48 sets, after which the Harbin Aircraft manufacturing Co gained the AS365N Dauphin II airframe design. And keep building more under the Z-9 designation. Have French made it an issue? Because all the technologies involved are properly settled with Eurocopter. Also R&R’s Spey engine, after Xian assembled certain number of Spey Engine kits from UK, then it managed to fully indigenize the engine under WS-9 turbofan engine designation. And WS-9 is currently under production to power JH-7A, Does R&R make it an issue?

What we see now is the similar license building case involves the same AVIC companies. Why you want to use irrelevant countries’ irrelevant cases to make your points?

You have nothing to prove your statement while i have this russian media report which validates more than you and your points the issue of the J-11 license

Попытки России закрепиться на китайском рынке вооружений с помощью передачи Пекину «отверточной» сборки истребителей Су-27СК не оправдали ожиданий. Освоив технологию выпуска, Китай наладил собственное производство их аналогов с прицелом на последующий экспорт в страны третьего мира. Россия официально уведомила Китай о том, что производство истребителей J11, копирующих российский Су-27СК, является нарушением межгосударственных договоренностей. Москва пообещала приступить к юридическим процедурам защиты интеллектуальной собственности.

http://www.ng.ru/economics/2008-04-22/1_sushki.html

This is from 5 days ago and published in Russia, your statements come from a simple desire of justifiy your mistakes and lack of common sense, it is logic that Russia and China signed a contract where Russia did not allow china to sell Su-27s to third parties like Pakistan to put an example and where Russia has already informed China about the illegality of such moves, this proves China signed a contract for only 200 aircraft and no more.

По соглашению, подписанному в 1996 году, Китай имел право на «отверточную» сборку 200 истребителей Су-27СК под местным наименованием J11. Но, получив 95 комплектов деталей, 180 двигателей АЛ31Ф и все необходимое оборудование, партнеры из Поднебесной в ноябре 2004 года заявили, что больше не нуждаются в российских технологических комплектующих для сборки Су-27. Официально было заявлено, что боевые возможности истребителя оказались слишком ограниченными. Однако переговоры по этому вопросу могут быть возобновлены позднее, а пока в Китае заняты анализом своего производственного опыта.

Анализ, похоже, прошел успешно, поскольку уже в начале 2007 года Китай представил свою «разработку» – истребитель J11В, подозрительно напоминающий Су-27.

Прервав контракт, Китай тем не менее продолжал закупать двигатели АЛ31Ф и некоторые другие узлы «для ремонта» имеющихся Су-27. Тем временем авиазавод в Шеньяне начал выпуск J11B. На запрос российской стороны последовал ответ: J11B – самостоятельная разработка, поскольку его габариты меньше, чем у J11. Однако эксперты утверждают: J11B – это абсолютная имитация Су-27СК.

Flogger, the key point is neither us nor the media you like to quote has seen the contract ( if there’s any) signed between Sukhoi & SAC, so we can’t say the said contract is breached or not because both parties-Sukhoi & SAC involved in the said contract so far don’t make any complaint to each other. The silence of Sukhoi towards this matter is the best proof so far for me because if like what you said, the SAC has breached the said contract between itself & Sukhoi, then the latter definitely won’t keep quiet. If so hard for you to understand the simple logic involved ( which is always the case), let me assume some one borrow 10000 bucks from you and both of you signed proper agreement but end of the day the one doesn’t return the money to you which breaches the agreement between you and him, will you keep quiet? If he does return the money to you, will you still shout he owns you 10000 bucks?

Even Sukhoi indeed goes to the court, most likely will reveal the contract if there’s any, we still have to see ourselves the SAC indeed breached the agreement or not.