1st I think it confirms the new Chinese SSK is not that noisy at all, The ASW remains one of the most unpredictable and toughest task for fleet defense although many new technologies and equipments are available .
2nd Probably the Washington times over reads into the incident because the combat readiness for a CVBG sailing at peace time is not that high.
Dont tell me lol…….your one of the pilots š
Hehehe….there!, that should clarify it :rolleyes:
You clarify what? You mean your own Airforce doesnāt have such āaircraftā oh keep so secret that yet to reveal to such āintelligent ā person like you?
So in your country you call such para-troopers ā pilotā?
What wonderful wawa land you from?
:rolleyes:
But is that Aircraft? Say directly you want to joke or something else?
Pinko, a question, don’t Russians have a non-competition clause for supply of RD-93 to power FC-1 when Russian companies are competing?
As far as my concern, Iām not worried at all, when CAC picked up Klimov as the engine vendor, they sign contract to define the issues of RD93 supply. Thereās just no such content in the contract saying that RD-93 powered FC-1 can never be delivered to the 3rd country where Russian Mig fighters are also marketed. But do have clauses defining if in case the vendor ( Klimov) canāt supply in the normal circumstances ( Non-delivery issue), what will be liabilities that the Russian part has to bear. That works in this way: if the Russia domestic regulars limit the vendor for its RD-93 being exported to the party which is in direct competition with Russian A/C manufacturer, the Klimov canāt supply to CAC, but on the other hand, they also have to observe the clauses regarding their non ādelivery issues with CAC if they canāt supply. So my opinion is no need worry, general regulations are dead things but human are alive, it depends on how human interpret such words.
The No-Escape Zone is the range within which theoretically the target even accelerates to its known maximum speed/climb rate/ turn rate etc but still can escape out of the AAMās envelop. For example, assume the target is F16 type of fighter, you can allow the target maneuver at maximum instant turn rate @ 26 degree/second, maximum climb rate @ 250 m/s and with the Max G @ 10, of course you also have to feature in when you maneuver at max turn rate, you couldnāt have max speed etc. Then you can calculate in order to still catch such a target, whatās the minimum range you required for you AAM to catch, given SD-10ās maximum speed is Mach 4 and max g is 38. The calculated range then is the borderline of your āno-escape zoneā. However I treat the distance where any target near but still outside NEZ is ā reasonable probability of a killā range.
AIM-120Cās range for no escape zone ( NEZ) is typical 30 -40 kms towards F16 type of target, I think MICAās is shorter.
Apparently you mixed out āno-escape zoneā range and the maximum range of missile, it takes only 20 seconds or so for SD-10 which with a speed of Mach 4 to travel 30kms. The SD-10 active radar seekerās range is 20kms. When the pilot in the cockpit hears his RWR alarming, what psychological pressure should he experience? Because most likely he knows he already in the āno-escape zoneā as the name suggested, if the fighter entered such hostile āno escape zoneā , no matter how he maneuver, say a F16 with maximum G of 9 and speed of mach 1, he canāt escape the missileās catch. If the pilot detects his hostile target already inside his missileās No-escape zone ( Which will show on screen) and has successfully launched the Active radar homing MRAAM, he probably can turn around and stop entering the WVR dog fight.
30km is roughly 19 miles
The SD-10ās range is 70 kms provided the missile is launched at a altitude of 6000 meters with both launching plane and targeted plane flying at Mach 1 head on. The Sd-10 is not secretive stuff because data is available since Zhuhai airshow 02. At such altitude, the non-escape zone of SD-10 is 30 kms plus.
Then for MICA, I think thereāre plenty of data available online, itās always been associated with ā too shortā range.
I wonder if at day 1 you opted to Chinese avionic/Radar/AMRAAR suit, why you think switch the line in future? The FC-1ās cockpit is already compatible to that of latest F-16. but what European ācheapā option will offer? Donāt forget the speed of Chinese Aviation is stunned. When you think you want to change, the Chinese may offer better stuff in future at a cut throat price no doubt than the western ones, do bear in mind, JF-17 must meet PAF ācost effectiveā bottom-line as well.
There are hundreds PAF personnel working on JF-17 project around the clock, you brought out your option, of course youāre suspicious you no need to deny that. The French system is renewed for its high cost, and you also donāt aware that? Somebody in this forum may complain hereāre too many Chinese stuff flowing, but we still see people totally not aware of Chinese developments in aviation arena. Look no further, hereās another Pakistani forum member who posted this :
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1037846&postcount=164
Actually he even highlighted all the details you should pay attention to and to be someone really care of Pakistani military developments, he should not keep ignoring all the info just doors away but yet to claimā he donāt knowā.
Some hints here: The SD-10 is export version of PL-12.
MICA on the other hand, because in order to care take both āradar homingā and āIRā dual seeker, sacrificed speed and to some extent range. The overall range of MICA is shorter than SD-10, which is compatible to AIM-120 up to C version.
But nowadays, F-16 has never been a ācheapā option to maximize the number of your backbone fleet. Only if US is willing to subsidize the cost of F16 because youāre in need, any Unit price for F-16 will be 50 million bucks and onwards.
Well, we should seat back and see which one wins at last, the Egyptian Air force delegates have already visited Chengdu CAC and inspected the FC-1 offered in oct,06.
Hey, dude, the Chinese radar and SD-10 are only unknown to you but NOT the PAF technical personnel involved in JF-17 project. Without any info, you are not qualified to anyhow throw your ā should dosā
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