If we had gone into Iraq to steal the oil, then we’d be in complete control of Iraq’s oil reserves, and there wouldn’t likely be any form of government.

Now Iraq has the government finally, becuase Americans didnt like any previous candidate, they finally found the yes-man, hence the government.

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The points that Impi made about the deaths of Iraqi civilians are also quite true. Saddam’s regime was murderous and the people of Iraq were never truly safe because if, on a whim, Saddam had decreed that someone was going to die, then that person (or family) was executed….it’s a simple as that. Additionally, the goal of the invasion was not to kill Iraqi civilians. Collateral damage is a part of war and unintentional deaths have occured, but it is important to remember that the insurgency is responsible for the largest portion of civilian casualties by far. The people in the insurgency supported Saddam and they don’t care who they harm in trying to get Coalition troops out of the country. Unfortunately, this means that many thousands of civilians have died.
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Since when did America started caring about the civilians of other countries? Wasnt Saddam was once given millitary aid [That included Chemcial and Biologicial Weapon know-how from Britain] How many dictators are their supported by America? What about the civilians of those countries? Dont tell me Afghanistan, they didnt gave a damn until they realised Made in America Osama has gone totally rogue.

The goal of the invasion was to get Saddam out of power and setup a stable democratic government so that the people of Iraq can have a future and despite the struggles in the country now, they are closer to having a good future than they ever were under Saddam, and as Impi said, under Saddam, they would never have any chance to succeed.

oh yea? Last I checked, your president lied to you and the world regarding nukes and I dont know some martian weapons Saddam would use to threaten its neighbours and blow up whitehouse. Saddam wasnt the issue, just a face-saver for Bush to tell after his initial lies were exposed…first thing Americans did when the baghded fell….go rush to Oil ministry…not care about those treasures of human history that was being looted openly…so much for ‘caring’.
Obviously the people have no chance to succeed under Saddam, being sanctioned by the west and a War monger whose passion for violence was feuled by the west, all long term planning 😉

You can say all day that we are in Iraq for the oil, but at the end of the day that’s simply not the truth. Playing the devil’s advocate is one thing, but saying that oil is what we were after is a lie. If we were there for oil I can promise you, it would all be flowing straight back to the United States right now. That’s not the case.

So America spent 100s of billions of dollars just to topple Saddam? Whats there for America, you tell me…if it was democracy, there are far more worse leaders than Saddam ruling today…I dont see the logic for democracy and ‘caring about people’…..when people like Mugabe have just made the lifesof locals miserable, who jail up opposition leaders under the cry of ‘treason’ but luckily for Mugabe, he doesnt have much oil :-/

Whats there for America is Oil, which is money. Thats a good logic for war for a Captialist regime. Was just reading ‘Death of a Salesman’…

Most you don’t like the United States and I’ve got no problem with that, but that shouldn’t lead you to make false conclusions about the war in Iraq and why we invaded.

I’m sorry to say thats its again, just your assumption that I dont like USA, again you speak in black and white…like extremists…disagreeing with a war and doesnt makes me hate your governemnt..

And to say it matter of factly, majority of your own countrymen arent happy with your president, dont you worry about me.

Yes, I dont like your government, and that also certain people in it, so what? that doesnt make me hate your country man, thats just extreme bull. USA is among the countries whose people I respect due to certain qualities. Not what you are saying.

That country will have a future once things settle down. There are Iraqi citizens that are glad Saddam is gone, and they want the chance to live in a civil, free, democratic society. If you don’t want them to be able to have that, then there is something very wrong with you.

Whatever happened to your this statement back in 80s. Yes I wish the people can live a better life. They have already seen more violence on the streets in 1-2 years then they have witnessed in all Saddam era combined and multiplied by 2. And I hope they have a future now, they certainly do with American liked government there now. I just dont like the idea f how it is being done.

Oh and you dont have to promise me anything 🙂 You keep on promising to everyone 😉

And when I say Americans, I mean the Government.

Thats a twisted beleive hammered into their brains by extremists since the soviet war on Afghanistan funded by guess who. Now only if they followed the religion properly, their wouldnt be any problem would there be?

And no one is in position to say wether these were carried out as a “PR” stunt according to American army or was it an act out of despair.

Oh yeah, and the whole “war for oil” thing is so idiotic I don’t even know where to start. Sure, maybe before the war you could have claimed that was the case, but now that America has done what it promised and not only handed over power to a legitimate Iraqi government but placed all oil production and export in its hands, it only makes you look silly to claim that America went in to steal Iraq’s oil.

Bush said to pay expenses for the Reconstruction, Oil will be used…lol..they are basically getting oil for the destruction they caused. Actually you look silly for your naive argument.

What before the war, when Baghdad fell, the soldiers first went to Oil Ministry. The Promise was to rid Saddam of Nukes..that was the promise. Everything else came later. All production infrastructure is now controlled by American Firms. Iraqi Government cant control Baghdad, let alone everything else. They are totally dependant upon America. They have also finally formed an ‘independant’ government after America didnt like the previous candidate.
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And phrozenflame…do you honestly believe that the goal of American troops is to kill civilians? If you truly believe that, then you need a serious reality check.

Why do certain people beleive that if you dont agree with American policy..you’re a lunatic?….think in Black and White…think like zarqawi…like bin laden…like bush…..thats the world to you…its not for me. I dont beleive that…, but I know what their goals are. Americans are there for oil, they went to war and they knew civilians are going to die whatever restraint they show, it was their choice to make and they took oil over the lives of common Iraqis. And if you dont beleive that, then you need a serious reality check.

Why was there an attempt to cover up the Haditha Massacre? why werent they punished at that time if thats in the Rules of the American army? See its your own actions that raise the questions. And they should be answered properly, already the American govt has ZERO credibility. Lies upon lies, deception upon deception, hw can you tell what they feed the media is a truth or just another lie. Your own actions mate..your own actions.

Let me explain something about the legality of the Iraq war, whether Illegal or notis up for debate and in reality is a matter of interpretation of the existing UN charter and of the Iraq related resolutions, these can be interpreted to fit almost any point of view. In many cases this was the intention as it made it easier for multiple partys to agree.
Secondly International law under the UN charter is artificial, it was made by states and it can be changed and broken by states, it is not some god spoken series of cammandments merely a collection guidelines with with various interpretations. So welcome to the real world.

Then I guess everything is legal and illegal, American Govt has nothing to whine about and it has everything to whine about.

You can beleive whatever you want. Yes there has been instances where these things have taken place and there is no denying that bad things were done by some very bad people , however does it mean that it is something that is a part of the US’s policy. Every war that we have seen has highlighted that there are some soldiers who act in a way that is not even fit for this human race but does it mean that the US has a policy of brutally killing iraqi civilians. Yes reports are comming out and maybe in the future we’ll se some more and they are very unfortunate and reflect badly on the proffestional conduct of the troops however this has happened since ww1 and unfortunately it has happened again (ww2 , veitnam and OIF) , but it isnt the same as a terrorist sanctioned attack, it comes no where close to that. The soldiers concerned are atleast being dealt with in accordance with the Law of the army to the best of the armies ability however the same cannot be said for the terrorist. Did zarqawi ever punish his foot soldiers for killing 100 innocent people for every 1 that mattered ( again killing a US sympathizer doesnt count cuz in a free country every one is entitled to their opinion) , was there any intention on the organizations part to do so with its terrorists…As per my understanding the more mosques you bomb,the more schools you torch down , the more market places you destroy the higher you get in such organizations..Can this be said for the US military???

Yes you are right with that, but still, if the civilians died as collateral damage, they should be reported as that, for any side.

And anyway, it doesnt changes the fact that this war is illegal, and whatever US is doing there is too. Obviously, the State and its soldiers are responsible for all the mess there is in Iraq since they are the occupying force. Was iraq in this mess before Americans arrived? Was this the pathetic state of lives of common Iraqis before Americans arrived? And democracy? people mentioned democracies? WHY does America still support so many dictators? one in my country too… where is the democracy here? Its just demoncracy…what about Palestinians? Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait…list goes on..so dont even mention the democracy here. Its just a lame excuse…just another lie in State Policy for conquest.

And the Policy of the State is pretty clear when we saw that American soldiers rushed to Ministry of Oil as soon as Baghdad fell. Why should I beleive whatever ‘devine’ words American Government/ State has to say? What is their credibility I ask you. When American Elected Head of State lied on the faces of its own people, what should I expect from the person to cover up the killings or from his minions?

And again, If you arent with America, you suddenly become Al-Qaeda sympathiser, hello, The World doesnt belongs to you and you cant make sweeping statements like that. You see the world in Black and White…just like the extremists. Death is a Death..wether you behead someone or you blow his pieces to bits by your $2m cruise missile.

I think this is a good news, anyone who is killed that will lower the suffering of Innocent Iraqi civilians is a good news…be it Zarqawi, any other terrorist say like other extremists, bush nad hawks, Al-Qaeda operatives…..suicide bombers etc.

I think Iraqis under him didnt like the fact he was trying to ignite civil war…

Now an Iraqi will probably replace him and that will make the resistance more indigenous…

and one question..when Zarqawi attacks pro-americans and kills civilians its terrorism..when America attacks say..pro-Zarqawi and civilians are killed…its collateral damage….so urm…why is American killing of civilians not terrorism? Yes Zarqawi does kills civilains intentionally…so does Americans. only that it takes time to be exposed by media and other people.

Do they use divine bullets or something? or does grabbing all the oil makes you morally superior? Last I heard they treat Iraqis like sub-humans [according to British officer who had refused to serve in Iraq…]

This is how democracy been fulled. It took just few month for Palestinians to understand how HAMAS fulled of them. Probably because they see what happen over there. For americans it will take few years (like usual) because repeating CNN slogans not helping to see what is real in this world.

Hamas didnt even get started before you can say anything. They were sanctioned and Palestinions were clearly told that the West will dictate them who there leader is, not democracy.

America it seems has created more dictatorships than democracy.

Abbas is basically running the show, who was supposed to be kicked out by the people.

Thats why no one gives a jack about demoncracy America intends to spread in Islamic world. They have more dictators here then democractic leaders.

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