Mark SienThe ACM said that the refuelers will be used to extend the range of the JF-17s; no mention or implication about F-16s.
Mark SienWith Erieye, F-16C/D, JF-17 and J-10, many see a requirement for far more time and resources to be delpoyed on air defence, especially as PAF will be kept very busy with the IAF. As a result, some squadrons may become “pure” air defence sqaudrons and give up any ground attack role.
These “pure” air defence sqaudrons may be the 3 J-10 sqaudrons the PAF is planning to create.
Quite likely the J-10 squadrons will become pure air-superiority and air defence squadrons; ground attack would be covered by F-16 and JF-17. The J-10 has been regarded as a strong air-to-air fighter by the Chinese.
Mark SienAdmittedly India is far more open then China with regards to reporting on military affairs, although ACM of PAF, does give occasional interviews. The latest news (posted earlier in this thread) is that 36 F-10As are on order.
Procedure will be the same as with any other programme and outlined by Mark Sien
Induction Projects include;
Project Falcon (F-16s, 1981 to 1991)
Project Crystal (Air Defence Systems, late 1970s to late 1980s)
Project Skybolt (F-7s, 1988 to mid-1990s)
Project Blue Flash (Mirage Vs in late 1970s)
Project Thunder (JF-17s, 1999 to present)
The F-16 project will likely form a new name due to the new technology and what not of the aircraft; while J-10 will be part of Project Plus One. According to the ACM, 36+ F-10As (said by Greenday) and an additional 18 F-16C/D Block 52+ (totalling 36 new built F-16s) will be procured. So the PAF is expecting to have at least 282 4th generation fighters; 36+ J-10As, 36 F-16C/D Block 52+, 60 F-16A/B MLU-3, and 150 JF-17 – I think another 18 J-10A/Bs and/or 18 F-16C/Ds will be ordered by the end of 2010.
Mark SienWhat is the procedure for inducting J10s into the PAF?
We keep hearing about IOC and FOC for the Tejas, however no such process is in the news for these new aircraft which supposedly are in the advanced stages of being inducted into the PAF
The PAF selects personnel and assigns them to an induction project; the project has a chief director, engineering directors (maintenance, training, logistical, aeronautical, etc), and lower-ranked personnel. Many officers and men would go abroad for training and what not; while some stay at home to proposal re-organization, change, etc for the air force. An induction project would take as long as the induction process; so as long as the PAF is buying – the project will remain.
Mark SienIt appears that the UAE/AF requires instructors of Pakistani origin. The advertisement was in a newspaper today; and it was posted on History of PIA by Abbas Ali. I got it off Usman Shabbir on PakDef.
Mark SienThanks…
I didn´t know that there were pakistan “technicians” :diablo: in qatar…
Well, I feel that the Qatar Mirage F-1, was a good plane for Spain y can´t understand why they weren´t modernized like the other mirage F-1 to the standard Mirage F-1M…
1Saludo
There are still Pakistani pilots, engineers, airmen and techniciants working in the QEAF; however under Qatari colours – and not presently affliated with the PAF.
Mark SienWell, if the President of the USA appeared on international TV to beg money and blame everybody else in the world for allowing his people to die in the aftermath of a disaster then went on to blow billions on weapons that’d be fair comment. Only whatever faults GWB has I don’t remember him doing that. India has huge problems but they’re growing their economy and generating wealth, and are a bit more politically stable.
Well throughout history Pakistan has been a vital ally to the Americans and the West; Pakistan took in most of the Afghan refugees, and had to absorb all of the problems they brought. At the same time Pakistan has done its share in the War on Terror – but what level of aid did Pakistan get for its troubles? I do not recal Egypt sending in 80K troops on a hostile border – but they got more aid from the U.S than Pakistan did,
So tell me, Pakistan has just gone through a massive unpreventable earthquake, it is surrounded by terrorists/militants on its West and an archrival looking to disable it on its East. All it asks is for some compensation for its troubles – and bang we have Western folks who probably never thought of anyone else attacking Pakistan. BTW, India is a growing economy and it is generating wealth; but their destitute population is growing – while Pakistan’s is decreasing.
And on the question of F16’s, if Pakistan doesn’t like the F16 then buy something else. Simple, don’t need to be a genius to work that out. If they do like the F16 then stop all the whinging and crying about the export requirements. Let’s face it, it’s all a bit pointless as for their counter insurgency problem they don’t need F16’s, and with regards to India the military imbalance is so great that a few F16’s won’t make a big difference.
If you haven’t noticed – ANZA is complaining – not a lot of Pakistanis are, and the Pakistani gov’t isn’t. At least differentiate between a forum jocky and a real government official – genius. BTW, maybe you should tell the Indian caucus to stop complaining about the F-16 deal if these aircraft will not make a difference; and maybe Israel should stop using its air force against terrorists – since one does not need them, apparently.
Mark SienPakistan needs them F16’s, I’d hate to see them squandering money on wateful, unimportant things like helping earthquake survivors or providing half decent healthcare to their people.
Yes, I’m sure the United States should procure hundreds of billions of dollars worth of military equipment rather than solving their own small poverty issues. I’m sure India needs to buy 126 really expensive fighters instead of helping its hundreds of millions of people below the poverty line.
Turbinia, they can always blame earthquakes, hunger and disease on Europe and the USA and try to extort some donations, which will also help to fund the Koran Schools in Peshawar, courtesy of Al Qaida, as they did before.
At the current islamistic insurgency level in Pakistan, I´m sorry to say, but any weapons system more sophisticated than the castrated F16s would be a threat to any western society.
BTW, have the European and British paid back the African and Asian countries they looted during the industrial and colonial era? Because, I’ve noticed that the IMF is only giving loans and not actual repayment to these poor looted countries. Oh, I don’t think giving nuclear technology and fuel to a country aspiring to become a superpower is a good idea for the West – India – 😉
JoeinTX
I doubt you could compare the horrors of far right extremism from Islam to that of far right wing Christianity; as an American, you should know how Blacks were treated? BTW, what about the Nazis? In any case, I think you should agree that the Muslim world is fixing its extremism problem; just how many Pakistani troops have been sacrficed fighting the Taliban or AQ? Surely this extremism is not a direct threat to Pakistan or the Muslim world – yet it was the Muslim World and Pakistan which has suffered the most losses; and that too for the West.
BTW, when was the last time there was an Islamic backed fundamentalist riot against minorities to the level of Gujrat (India) back in 2002-2003? How many Churches have been vandalized as compared to Mosques? How many Muslim civilians have died due to their governments’ participation in the WOT as compared to Western? The losses are on both sides my friend; BTW, the Americans and Israelis have used more advanced weaponry against terrorists as well. I do not see why Pakistan should be singled out on this regard.
Mark SienIt may either be KC-135 or A-310 MRTT; PAF will probably end up with 2-3 by the end of 2012.
Mark SienFinally they are looking at things from this angle. It has happened before (Pak gives PRC F-16 … rev. engg… etc) and going by reputations and history there is no reason why it it will not happen again.
That is nonsence; Pakistan did not give an F-16 to China – FINAL; there is no solid evidence of such a transaction. This is a 5bn USD deal, if the U.S blocks it – fine, Pakistan didn’t lose a thing.
Mark SienI like the bull**** Swedish press release, for the sale of a purely military piece of hardware . – The Swedish are so neutral in the matter. I wonder what was their press release, when they sold Sadamm Hussein, a few mobile battlefield SCUD launchers for the Iraqi army ?
What does this or any part of your post have to do with the Pakistan Air Force?. Disappointed that such ad hominem and irrelevancy is not filtered out by the moderators. Just because you are angry and overly frustrated at another country’s progression – does not mean you can go around begging for pity.
Back to the main topic, the F-16 & weapons package news must indeed be good news for the PAF; the PAF will have 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52+ and 60 F-16A/B MLU aircraft given Block 50/52+ avionics. In essence the PAF will operate 96 Block 50/52+ aircraft – with JHMCS and Erieye AEW&C support. Truly a good – although highly expensive – set of purchases (F-16); it will give the PAF a considerable boost in its defensive and offensive capabilities.
Mark SienWhat kind of night vision goggles can Pakistan supply?
Here is the company which makes them;
Institute of Optronics
Ministry of Defence, Chaklala-Rawalpindi, Pakistan
Institute of Optronics (IOP) has established state-of-the-art military specifications production and testing facilities of night vision devices, based on Image Intensifier Tubes. The Night Vision Systems, without turning the night into day, vastly improve the ability of the Armed Forces to undertake a number of vital functions related to force effectiveness. Command and control, surveillance, movements both tactical and logistical and accuracy of firepower are some of the areas of activities in which the Night Vision Devices are playing a formidable and vital role.
Institute of Optronics is playing a key role in this field and has established Military Specifications production and testing facilities of following night vision devices, based on second generation Image Intensifier Tubes:
Individual Served Night Vision Weapon Sight (Equivalent to AN / PVS – 4A)
Crew Served Night Vision Weapon Sight (Equivalent to AN / TVS – 5A)
High Performance Night Vision Goggles (Equivalent to AN / PVS – 5C)
High Performance Night Vision Binoculars (Equivalent to NVB – 4A and NVB – 5A)
Driver’s Night Vision Periscope (DNVP – 1A)
Aviator’s Night Vision Goggle
An indigenization programme to progressively develop and manufacture components in Pakistan for night vision systems is being vigorously pursued. The future plans of this institute include the establishment of facilities for night vision devices based on Thermal Imaging Techniques for all types of armoured vehicles and helicopters.
Besides meeting the night vision requirements of the Armed Forces of Pakistan, this institute has exported these to friendly countries.
Mark SienPAF order may rise to 200-250 if PAF runs into financial difficulties in regards to F-16s; and don’t forget about future versions meant to replace older versions!
Mark SienAren’t there any European countries that require assistance in building up an air force, like Bosnia? Or perhaps South Africa or Hungary would be interested for a possible boost in their fleet? 65-70 Gripens could help out several countries struggling to build themselves – certainly a better option than to throw them away? It would also guarantee Saab a place to sell spare-parts and upgrades.
Mark SienPakistan Air Force pilots in Northern and Central Air Commands wear olive-green and grey-ish green flight-suits depending on squadron. Pilots in Southern Command follow the same uniform colour, however those in maritime-squadrons wear orange flight-suits. Ground officers and men like engineers, radar controllers, technicians, etc wear grey-ish green – usually.
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