Don’t mistake this ‘Tu 160’ guy for a serious poster. He doesn’t realize that F-35A is a CTOL fighter and not VTOL. Calling the T-50 the potential F-35A equivalent of BRIC was a complement and he went into full trash talking mode.
Russia owns the engine and missile technology to compete in the theater, China doesn’t have proven resources in these fields yet. China is able to provide J-7 and J-8II reliably, that’s about the extent. Russia has the better trainers and simulators plus both Red Flag and Top Gun equivalents. China does have JL-7A, but it’s more or less an Su-24M replacement with anti-ship and precision strike missile capabilities. If Iraq picked up Su-35S it doesn’t need JL-7A. The MiG-35 doesn’t have the range to carry out long range precision strike equivalent to either one, but it’s no slouch.
MiG-35 is the poor man’s Su-35S. Same missiles, less overall payload and range. Regardless of the choice they need a good R73 and R77 supply. If they opt for OVT they have a good display jet for national pride.
Do they really need Mi-35? Would they be better served with Mi-171 and a light attack helicopter for scouting and escort? They already are getting Apache for heavy work. If they want a squad lift they should go Blackhawks.
The new conservative government in France should be figuring out how to ween people off welfare. That would free up money for plenty of projects.
I have a strong feeling that T-50 is going to be the BRIC eequivalent of F-35A. I can see Brazil, Russia, India and China all using it. The last one may be a long shot I know, but J-20 is only a prototype and may be repositioned at any time for an A2G role rather than a T-50 competitor. Russia is going to need the orders to make it as affordable as they originally planned.
Swerve, you forget the socialists and communists within the United States call themselves liberal, I call them leftists.
(Fixed for Al.’s sake.)
Untrue. A classic liberal is in favour of free markets & a general lack of compulsion. Think about the origin of the word – liber = free – same as liberty. And that is how liberal is still used by many non-USians, e.g. me.
You are thinking of the extremely odd (bizarre, really) US twisting of the word into almost its opposite.
European and American ideas of liberal and conservative are not the same.
An order of MiG-35 (OVT) would be a great first step for a BVR fighter, although an Su-35 serves them better. They still need a one-up on Iran and I’m not so sure MiG-35 offers that. If they ordered any Chinese planes only two come to mind to meet their needs, JL-7A and JF-17.
JL-7A offers them a tactical precision-strike bomber that threatens Tehran. This option also has an ASuW component. The Iraqis still have to consider their needs for standoff strike and for closing the straits.
he JF-17, using a Russian engine and equipped with SD-10, gives them a stopgap against Iranian F-4’s. The MiG-35 numbers being kicked around don’t look good enough to cover the border with Iran, let alone the rest of the borders.
The J-10 isn’t a realistic option. It’s a regressive step behind the F-16, probably costs more in the long run, and relies on an unpredictable supplier. They may as well order more F-16’s. The Russian engine is good, but it’s third party support to keep it running. The Chinese engine is only going to be extra work to keep it going.
If they get MiG-35 it does leave open the idea of J-31 being an option. Until the J-31 proves itself, I wouldn’t get too presumptuous it will outperform the MiG-35. Just keeping an open mind here.
The real interesting battle will be SAM systems. S-300 or HQ-9?
India’s F125 is with full digital control whereas previous versions were mechanical.
And one knock on F-CK-1’s F125 was the performance limitations imposed on the originals. The negotiated improved performance into later contracts that unlocked the artificial limitations, giving engines about 1500 more pounds of thrust. The spool up time is pretty comparable to the performance of the KF-16, but neither F125 that they use or the F100 are going to spool as quickly as the F404.
Anyone have F-CK-1 pictures in flight with F-16’s and F/A-18’s?
Costs aren’t always relative to the weight of the aircraft, but in this case the Gripen can reach that number because of its less sophistication, lower wage rate in the supply line, and considerable focus of keeping work in the field versus the depot.
Well, that is still the equivalent of two dozen civilian pallets…
Ken
I wonder what’s the story on the Vickers VC10 behind the Q-5.
I thought it was AF brass that made the comment you speak of and it was Alenia that quickly came out and squashed the lie.
The F-15C and F-15E look best with their racks. The Super Hornet loaded doesn’t look as nice as it clean.

With Rafale deal negotiations so protracted it would make sense to barter for short term MiG-21 replacements via a lease agreement. Almost begs for Saab to step in with the stored Gripen airframes or Dassault to step up with Mirage airframes. It’s too bad they cannot upgrade the MiG-21’s with something that acts like a stepping stone to self sufficiency, like a scaled down indigenous radar set akin to how China originally wanted to turn F-7’s into Super 7’s. Giving the existing Bisons or other MiG-21’s a facelift seems unavoidable at the minimum.