You are so naive its scary. One more to the ignore list…

Edit: Sens posted b4 I got mine out. 🙂 No, Sens, you are not on my list.

You could probably do that shoulder launch of a sidewinder once and get away with it. Once because you’d lose half your body in the process and that could add a wee bit of difficulty to repeating the process.

The stealth which they talk about is largely against search and fire control radar waves, not the type in an active seeker. The F-22 is just as vulnerable to the current crop of active radar seekers as any other fighter out there.

Does anyone else find the title to be a turn off? When talking about a frenchie fighter one should use roman numerals. It’s just a matter of taste. 🙂

The real temptation is to use IIII instead of IV.

He is back! He is angry! Rafale News IIII!
He is back! He is angry! Rafale News IV!

I think the problem people see as “overstated numbers” is that this is the 2014 EU Air Force, not the 2008-2009 EU Air Force. We are fast forwarding approximately five years ahead. Some of the listed items would be mothballed by then, like the F-4E/F’s in a few services. Also some of the listed items not currently in today’s inventories will be removed from service as the new equipment comes online. We want to keep the mothballed units in just to see what could potentially be operated as a reserve force or perhaps as some sort of foreign legion. Opinions will obviously vary on this aspect of the exercise.

And to keep things less complicated the similar models built under license are mostly grouped under one common type. Technically an Augusta-Bell Model 209 is not going to be the same as a stateside manufactured Model 209. And there are so many different models customized for different countries and environments, but I took the liberty to consolidate those numbers into one Model 209 group. See how the problem grows?

And if you think the airplanes & helicopters are complicated, just try to pull stats on the potential missiles that an EU Air Force would operate! Its even more insane than the overly simplified list I put together.

Updated the lists with the new getasset.pdf:

PROP TRAINER:
Aermacchi SF.260 (32 Belgium, 45 Italy, 37 Turkey*)
Aermacchi M-290 (10 Finland)
Aérospatiale TB-30 Epsilon (105 France, 16 Portugal)
Scottish Aviation Bulldog T1 (4 Malta)
EMB 312 Tucano (44 France)
ENAER T-35C Devil (35 Spain)
Grob G 115 (99 United Kingdom)
KAI KT-1 (40 Turkey*)
Pilatus PC-7 (16 Austria, 13 Netherlands, 37 Switzerland*)
Pilatus PC-9 (6 Bulgaria, 20 Croatia*, 1 Cyprus, 8 Ireland, 11 Slovenia, 11 Switzerland*)
Pilatus PC-21 (6 Switzerland*)
PZL-130/142 Spotted Eagle (38 Poland, 8 Slovenia)
Shorts Tucano T.1 (84 United Kingdom)
T-6 Texan (45 Greece)
Yak-52 (11 Hungary, 16 Romania)
Zlin 142/242L (5 Croatia*, 8 Czech)

LIGHT JET TRAINER:
Alenia Aermacchi M-346 (15 Italy)
CASA C-101 (73 Spain)
Hawk M51/51A/128/T1 (49 Finland, 126 United Kingdom)
IAR 99 Hawk (19 Romania)
L-39 (27 Bulgaria, 32 Czech, 1 Estonia, 8 Hungary, 6 Lithuania, 15 Slovakia)
L-159T (4 Czech Republic)
MB-339 (93 Italy)
T-2 Buckeye (41 Greece)
T-37 (47 Germany, 59 Turkey*)
Northrop T-38 (46 Germany, 67 Turkey*)
Northrop NF-5A/B (38 Turkey*)
Northrop SF-5B (20 Spain)
PZL TS-11 Spark (106 Poland)
Saab 105 (28 Austria, 106 Sweden)

MEDIUM-HEAVY JET TRAINER:
Alphajet (29 Belgium, 149 France, 22 Portugal)
AMX-T (18 Italy)
EF-2000B Typhoon (33 Germany, 15 Italy, 15 Spain, 36 United Kingdom)
F-4F Phantom II (5 Germany)
F-16B Fighting Falcon (14 Belgium, 13 Denmark, 4 Italy, 15 Netherlands, 10 Norway*, 6 Portugal)
F-16D Fighting Falcon (42 Greece, 12 Poland, 57 Turkey*)
EF-18B Hornet (12 Spain)
F-18D (7 Finland, 7 Switzerland*)
MiG-21U Mongol (3 Bulgaria, 4 Croatia*)
MiG-29UB Fulcrum (4 Bulgaria, 1 Hungary, 8 Poland, 2 Slovakia)
Mirage F1B (13 France, 4 Spain)
Mirage 2000B/BG (23 France, 3 Greece)
Su-25UB Frogfoot (4 Bulgaria)
TA-7C (13 Greece)
TAV-8B Harrier (2 Italy, 1 Spain)
Harrier T.10/12 (9 United Kingdom)
Tornado IDS (13 Germany, 10 Italy)

LIGHT WEIGHT CLASS:
AMX (60 Italy)
A-7E/H Corsair II (51 Greece)
F-5A/B Freedom Fighter (5 Norway*, 50 Turkey*)
F-5E/F Tiger II (8 Austria, 59 Switzerland*)
F-5 2000 (43 Turkey*)
Hawk Mk66 (18 Finland)
JAS 39A/B Gripen (82 Sweden)
JAS 39C/D Gripen (14 Czech Republic, 14 Hungary, 100 Sweden)
L-159 (67 Czech Republic)
MiG-21bis Fishbed (12 Bulgaria, 12 Croatia*)
MiG-21 Lancer (80 Romania)
Mirage 2000C (62 France)
Mirage 2000D (90 France)
Mirage 2000EG (26 Greece)
Mirage 2000-5 (34 France, 17 Greece)
Mirage F1C (93 France, 40 Spain)

MEDIUM WEIGHT CLASS:
Jaguar (60 France**, 39 United Kingdom**)
F-16A Fighting Falcon (56 Belgium, 49 Denmark, 29 Italy, 97 Netherlands, 21 Portugal, 47 Norway*)
F-16C Fighting Falcon (119 Greece, 36 Poland, 190 Turkey*)
Su-22 Fitter (50 Poland)
Su-25 Frogfoot (5 Bulgaria)

HEAVY WEIGHT CLASS:
EF-2000 Typhoon (15 Austria, 145 Germany, 106 Italy, 72 Spain, 194 United Kingdom)
F-4E/F Phantom II (71 Turkey*)
F-4E PI 2000 (35 Greece)
F-4E 2020 Terminator (52 Turkey*)
RF-4E Phantom II (22 Greece, 32 Turkey*)
F-4F ICE Phantom II (76 Germany)
EF-18A Hornet (77 Spain)
F-18C Hornet (55 Finland, 26 Switzerland*)
MiG-29 Fulcrum (7 Bulgaria, 4 Hungary, 28 Poland, 10 Slovakia)
Rafale B (11 France)
Rafale C (36 France)
Tornado F3 (62 United Kingdom)
Tornado IDS (166 Germany, 57 Italy)
Tornado GR4 (114 United Kingdom)
Tornado ECR (33 Germany, 18 Italy)

CARRIER-CAPABLE:
Harrier GR9 (65 United Kingdom)
EAV-8B Harrier II (16 Spain)
AV-8B Harrier II (15 Italy)
Rafale M (37 France)
Super Etendard (45 France)

DEDICATED NUKE STRIKE:
Mirage 2000N (50 France)

TANKER AIRCRAFT:
Airbus A310 MRTT (4 Germany)
Airbus A330 MRTT (14 United Kingdom)
KC-1 Tristar (6 United Kingdom)
KDC-10 (2 Netherlands)
KC-130 (1 Italy, 5 Spain)
KC-135R (14 France, 7 Turkey*)
KC-707/137 (2 Spain)
KC-767 (4 Italy)
Lockheed TriStar (6 United Kingdom)
Vickers VC-10 (16 United Kingdom)

COMMAND &/or EARLY WARNING AIRCRAFT:
Antonov An-30 Recce (1 Bulgaria, 1 Czech, 3 Romania)
Beechcraft 200/350 King Air Recce (2 Turkey*, 13 United Kingdom)
BN-2 Islander Recce (13 United Kingdom)
Boeing 707 EW (1 Spain)
Boeing 737 AEW&C MESA (4 Turkey*)
Breguet Atlantique 1 EW (2 Germany)
CASA C-212 Aviocar EW (1 Spain)
CASA C-212 Aviocar Recce (10 Spain)
C-130H Hercules EW (2 Greece)
CN-235 EW (1 Turkey*)
CN-235 Recce (2 Ireland)
E-2 Hawkeye AEW (3 France)
E-3/AEW.1 Sentry (4 France, 7 United Kingdom)
EMB-145 Ericsson Erieye (4 Greece)
Falcon 20 EW (2 Norway*)
G.222 EW (1 Italy)
Nimrod R1 ELINT (3 United Kingdom)
Raytheon Sentinel AEW (4 United Kingdom)
Saab 340 S100B AEW (6 Sweden)
Sentinel R1 Recce (5 United Kingdom)
Transall C.160 Gabriel ELINT (2 France)

LIGHT TRANSPORT AIRCRAFT
Antonov An-28 Cash/PZL M28 Skytruck (30 Poland)
Beechcraft 90/350 King Air (1 Spain, 1 Switzerland*)
Beechcraft 200 Super King Air (3 Greece, 1 Ireland)
Beechcraft 1900 (1 Switzerland*)
BN-2 Islander (1 Cyprus, 2 Malta)
CASA C-212 Aviocar (13 Portugal, 50 Spain)
Cessna Citation V/Excel (2 Spain, 1 Switzerland*)
Cessna Citation II/VII (4 Spain)
DHC-6 Twin Otter (5 France, 1 Switzerland*)
Dornier Do 28 Skyservant (6 Greece)
Dornier Do 228 (2 Germany, 3 Italy)
EADS Socata TBM 700/850 (27 France)
Embraer EMB 121 Xingu (43 France)
Falcon 10/100 (6 France)
Falcon 20/200 (5 France, 1 Norway*, 4 Spain)
Falcon 50/900 (6 France, 7 Italy, 3 Portugal, 1 Switzerland*)
Jetstream 31 (12 United Kingdom)
Learjet 35 (3 Finland)
Let L-410 Turbolet (5 Bulgaria, 8 Czech, 1 Latvia, 2 Lithuania, 7 Slovakia, 1 Slovenia)
Piaggio P.180 Avanti (18 Italy)
Pilatus PC-6 Porter (5 France, 2 Slovenia, 16 Switzerland*)
Pilatus PC-12 (1 Bulgaria)
Rockwell Sabreliner 40 (2 Sweden)

MEDIUM TRANSPORT AIRCRAFT (>20T MTOW):
Aérospatiale N 262 (17 France)
BAe 125/Hawker 800 (16 United Kingdom)
Antonov An-24/26/32 (5 Bulgaria, 2 Croatia*, 5 Czech, 6 Hungary, 3 Lithuania, 11 Poland, 15 Romania, 2 Slovakia)
BAe 146 (2 United Kingdom)
Bombardier Challenger (1 Croatia, 1 Czech)
C-27J Spartan (5 Bulgaria, 12 Greece, 12 Italy, 3 Lithuania, 7 Romania)
CN-235 (20 France, 20 Spain, 42 Turkey*)
C-295 (2 Finland, 11 Poland, 7 Portugal, 15 Spain, 2 Switzerland*)
EMB-135/145 (4 Belgium, 2 Greece)
Fokker 50 (4 Netherlands)
Fokker F27 (2 Finland)
G.222 (2 Italy)
Gulfstream IV/V (1 Greece, 1 Netherlands, 4 Spain)
Learjet 60 (1 Malta)
NAMC YS-11 (1 Greece)
Saab 340 TP100 (3 Sweden)
Transall C.160 (52 France, 84 Germany, 17 Turkey*)
Yakovlev Yak-40 (2 Czech, 6 Poland)

LARGE TRANSPORT AIRCRAFT (>70T MTOW):
Airbus A310 (2 Belgium, 3 France, 7 Germany, 2 Slovakia, 2 Spain)
Airbus 319/319CJ (1 Czech, 2 France, 2 Germany, 3 Italy, 1 Turkey*)
Airbus A340 (2 France, 2 Germany)
Airbus A400M (7 Belgium, 50 France, 60 Germany, 1 Luxembourg, 27 Spain, 10 Turkey*, 25 United Kingdom)
Boeing 707 (1 Romania, 4 Slovakia, 1 Spain)
Douglas DC-10 (1 Netherlands)
C-1 Tristar (3 United Kingdom)
C-17 Globemaster III (3 Hungary, 3 Sweden, 6 United Kingdom)
C-130 Hercules (3 Austria, 10 Belgium, 4 Denmark, 14 France, 13 Greece, 21 Italy, 4 Netherlands, 9 Norway*, 5 Poland, 6 Portugal, 5 Romania, 8 Spain, 8 Sweden, 43 United Kingdom, 13 Turkey*)
Tupolev Tu-154 (2 Poland)

TRANSPORT &/or UTILITY HELICOPTERS
Aérospatiale SA 313/318 Alouette II (5 Belgium)
Aérospatiale SA 316/319 Alouette III (24 Austria, 3 Belgium, 2 Greece, 5 Malta, 11 Portugal, 14 Romania, 48 Switzerland*)
Aérospatiale SA 321 Super Frelon (9 France)
Aérospatiale SA 330 Puma (162 France, 77 Romania, 4 Spain, 35 United Kingdom)
Aérospatiale SA 341/342 Gazelle (4 Cyprus, 275 France, 108 United Kingdom)
Augusta A109 (28 Belgium, 29 Italy, 20 Sweden, 9 United Kingdom)
Augusta AW101 (14 Denmark, 12 Portugal, 27 United Kingdom)
Augusta AW139 (6 Ireland, 4 United Kingdom)
Bell 204/205/UH-1 Iroquois (192 Germany, 99 Greece, 66 Italy, 50 Spain, 245 Turkey*)
Bell 206 JetRanger (11 Austria, 6 Bulgaria, 9 Croatia*, 15 Greece, 67 Italy, 3 Slovenia, 35 Turkey*)
Bell 212/412 Twin Huey (23 Austria, 7 Greece, 71 Italy, 3 Netherlands, 18 Norway*, 1 Poland, 5 Slovenia, 14 Spain, 22 United Kingdom)
Boeing CH-47 Chinook (15 Greece, 44 Italy, 22 Netherlands, 18 Spain, 48 United Kingdom)
Eurocopter AS 332/532 Super Puma (12 Bulgaria, 34 France, 10 Greece, 17 Netherlands, 4 Slovenia, 39 Spain, 7 Sweden, 26 Switzerland*, 45 Turkey*)
Eurocopter AS 350/355 Squirrel (5 France, 35 United Kingdom)
Eurocopter AS 365/565 Dauphin (6 Bulgaria, 16 France, 3 Romania, 1 Switzerland*, 4 United Kingdom)
Eurocopter AS 555 Fennec (61 France)
Eurocopter EC 120 Hummingbird (12 Portugal, 15 Spain)
Eurocopter EC 135 (14 Germany, 2 Ireland, 11 Spain)
Eurocopter EC 145 (1 Malta)
Eurocopter EC 635 (16 Switzerland*)
Eurocopter EC 725 Cougar (14 France)
Hughes MD500 Defender (5 Finland, 47 Italy, 1 Malta, 8 Spain)
MBB Bo 105 (196 Germany, 25 Spain, 17 Sweden)
Mil Mi-8/9/17/171 Hip (11 Bulgaria, 19 Croatia*, 4 Cyprus, 34 Czech, 2 Finland, 26 Hungary, 3 Latvia, 7 Lithuania, 51 Poland, 7 Romania, 17 Slovakia, 2 United Kingdom)
NHI NH90 TTH (10 Belgium, 20 Finland, 12 France, 80 Germany, 20 Greece, 60 Italy, 20 Netherlands, 6 Norway*, 10 Portugal, 45 Spain, 14 Sweden)
PZL W-3 Falcon (9 Czech, 61 Poland)
PZL SW-4 Tawny Owl (74 Poland)
Robinson R44 (2 Estonia)
Sikorsky S-61/HH-3/SH-3 Sea King (5 Belgium, 7 Denmark, 58 Italy, 7 Spain)
Sikorsky S-65/CH-53 Sea Stallion (96 Germany)
Sikorsky S-76 Spirit (8 Spain)
Sikorsky S-70 (9 Austria, 11 Greece, 79 Turkey*)

MARITIME PATROL AIRCRAFT:
ATR 72 MPA (10 Turkey*)
Breguet Atlantique 1/2 MPA (25 France, 3 Germany, 16 Italy)
Bombardier Dash 8 MPA (2 Netherlands)
CASA C-212 Aviocar MPA (6 Portugal)
CN-235 MPA (7 Turkey*)
C-295 MPA (5 Portugal)
Fokker F27 MPA (3 Spain)
Fokker 50 MPA (4 France)
Nimrod MPA (33 United Kingdom)
P-3 Orion MPA (8 Germany, 6 Greece, 6 Norway*, 7 Portugal, 7 Spain)

MARITIME HELICOPTERS
Aérospatiale SA 316/319 Alouette III (28 France, 4 Netherlands)
Augusta AW101 (38 United Kingdom)
Eurocopter SA 365/565 Dauphin (8 France)
Kaman SH-2 Seasprite (4 Poland)
Mil Mi-14 Haze (4 Bulgaria, 13 Poland)
NHI NH90 NFH (27 France, 6 Norway*, 5 Sweden)
Sikorsky S-60 Sea Hawk (12 Spain)
Westland Lynx/Sea Lynx (32 France, 22 Germany, 21 Netherlands, 6 Norway*, 5 Portugal, 164 United Kingdom)
Westland Future Lynx (70 United Kingdom)
Westland Sea King (20 Germany, 12 Norway*, 85 United Kingdom)

COMBAT HELICOPTERS
AH-1 Cobra (26 Turkey*)
AH-64 Apache (28 Greece, 29 Netherlands, 67 United Kingdom)
Agusta A129 Mangusta (59 Italy, 50 Turkey*)
Eurocopter EC 665 Tiger (81 France, 81 Germany, 24 Spain)
OH-58 Kiowa (11 Austria, 5 Spain, 3 Turkey*)
Mil Mi-2 Hoplite (5 Czech, 2 Lithuania, 109 Poland, 4 Slovakia)
Mil Mi-24/25/35 Hind (7 Bulgaria, 12 Cyprus, 18 Czech, 17 Hungary, 27 Poland, 17 Slovakia)

ELECTRONIC WARFARE HELICOPTERS
Augusta AW101 AEW (4 Italy)
Bell 212/412 AEW Twin Huey (1 Greece, 3 Turkey*)
Bell 212/412 ELINT Twin Huey (6 Italy)
Eurocopter AS 532 ELINT Horizon (4 France)
Sikorsky ASH-3 Sea King AEW (4 Spain)

I’m really having a difficult time finding information on SAM systems and quantities. Its easy to find which military group has which general SAM family. But specific models and the numbers of launchers, missiles, and batteries is not so easy. Also I’m not sure how one should separate the army-specific models from the air force types.

Your number for German Typhoons seems to be wrong. Since you assumed for the UK, Italy and Spain the complete production run, you should do the same with the German number. 180 instead of 169.

These are loosely projected numbers that are possible through 2014. Germany is selling off some of the original models and they increased their orders for the tranche 2 model. I do not see anything stating they will have more overall after the sale and production runs are complete.

Technically, the first guy to get his effective volley off should have the lesser number of problems to deal with in the long run. The best offense is the best defense in this case. I think the U.S. conceeds the alcm problem and largely solved it with broad target dispersal, shelter hardening, and decoys.