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    I’d be more comfortable with swerve’s logic and experience at this point. Silly how the military uses so many civilian engines. And with so few changes to their maintenance schedules. Silly, them military folks.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2015) #2217825
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    Software for SDB II is around the corner. The only F-35 with an SDB II issue is F-35B, because its bay is smaller.

    in reply to: Military Aviation News-2015 #2217830
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    2014 was the last pinned news thread.

    MadRat
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    Commercial CF34-10 follows a 7/10 Program. 7,000 hours or 10 years, whichever comes first.

    Commercial CF6-80C2 with the FADEC has been reaching 20,000 to 24,000 on new engines and 16,000 to 18,000 hours after one overhaul.

    The CF6-80C2 is a big leap in efficiency when it comes to lifetime costs for a 20-year to 25-year period.

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    Water AFAIK hasn’t been used on the B-52’s since J57’s.

    They do not have to do anything structurally anytime soon. The AF and Boeing have clearly said so. With the average hours on the B-52 fleet around 20,000 hours per frame, that makes perfect sense. Boeing had programs for rebuilding the wings, but the problem is the wings have always been overbuilt. The CF6-80C2 (aka F138-GE-100) would probably work fine. The C-5M fleet plus the upcoming KC-46 fleet are using that engine type. My next choice would be F108-CF-100 (CFM56-2B) because they already have enough of them in retired KC-135R’s to do the work. And there were 4,000 more built for the civilian world. If I was being unrealistic then I’d be asking for engines that offer far bigger fuel savings using engines not even fully tested. 🙂

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/images/life-b52.jpg

    Every solution requires changes to the datalinks, electrical, hydraulic, bleed air, and fuel systems. It boils down to do you rip open the internal wing channels or leave the old tubes and cables in place? IMHO you open them up and remove the old stuff to save weight. Kerosene rot is eating the fuel lines and storage tanks. I don’t think they have much choice, but to put every B-52H through modernization. http://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/140526/air-force-tackles-aging-aircraft-issue-head-on.aspx

    Another realistic suggestion is adding a dedicated APU or two. The B-52H never had any and uses six engines to generate electrical power.

    Just to show the CF6-80C2 isn’t a giant leap in size…
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Ge-747-N747GE-020404-01.jpg/640px-Ge-747-N747GE-020404-01.jpg
    The 747 is carrying the CF34-8, smaller sibling of the CF34-10E that Boeing wants to use.

    MadRat
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    Until I read that the B-52H typically cruises at 25% power setting and uses no more than 80% at takeoff, it made me realize most of the time all eight engines are causing more drag than benefit. I’d like to at least see a drop to four engines.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2218224
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    All transports are aerodynamically challenged and unsuitable for AWACS or MPA.

    MadRat
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    Actually the B-52E – before upgrading to 12,000-pound thrust J57’s – got along fine with 10,000-pound thrust J57’s.

    The B-52H takes off typically on 80% power, with plenty of power to spare under each wing. That’s pretty similar to the power of one CF6-80C2 and two F404’s Wet thrust benchmarked at sea level. Two CF6-80C2 alone are near equal. Two CF6-80C2’s at 80% power allows you to cycle the F404’s at full military with room to spare using that spare 20% and wet thrust. You have to have wiggle room in an emergency.

    And, oh btw – your F404’s are slim. They wouldn’t be much drag if implemented correctly. Use them on takeoffs. Have them for emergencies. Otherwise carry them for that rainy day when they save the day.

    MadRat
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    /Salute

    I didn’t get my nick coming up with simple super expensive excuses to spend money.

    I work hard at delivering improvement in one fell swoop. Eight high tech engines is going to cost a boat load over 25 years. Instead of two main engines and a pair of spares you get eight all running at the same time. The two main engines will be on the wings for twenty years between changes because their slower rotations will wear out parts more slowly. The eight will get swapped every ten years. But that’s okay, we’re looking for a minor cost savings. whoopee

    in reply to: Once Again The USAF Is Looking To Re-Engine Its B-52 Fleet #2218471
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    8 engines is the only sensible option.
    4 bigger engines come with a lot of problems as you mentioned. One engine out is another problem with the B-52’s tiny rudder. To sort out all these issues would require major design work and thus is a no-go imho.

    Surely a company like Boeing can figure out such trivialities such as too little vertical stab…

    https://acesflyinghigh.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/shuttle-carrier-tail-strut.jpg

    I another forum I foud this about reengining the B-52

    I would prefer a pair of fuselage mounted CF6-80C2 or better simply because it’s the least complicated way to add new technology engines with the datalink and whatnot. The nuclear engine was going to add far more than 20,000 pounds. The B-52 uses a lifting tail, which simplifies the balancing act under load. The real trick is what to do with the flappy wings unloaded, which is why I would prefer spare low-profile afterburning engines like F404 under each wing. Not four F404, just one each wing. Then add more weight in the way of external datalinked weapon racks and fuel tanks. If you could utilize modularity, like using existing F-15E conformal tanks, it keeps development costs down.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/McDonnell_Douglas_F-15C_with_the_conformal_FAST_PACK_fuel_tanks_060905-F-1234S-017.jpg/640px-McDonnell_Douglas_F-15C_with_the_conformal_FAST_PACK_fuel_tanks_060905-F-1234S-017.jpg

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2218688
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    CFM-56 ranges a lot in SFC depending on which generation, some getting down to .340. There aren’t many engines that beat that without going over 100″ fans.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2218718
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    Does PD-14 offer any real advantage over the current CFM56 derivatives?

    in reply to: turbofan engines and their intakes #2218732
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    SR-71 has as much thrust via suction at the intake as the exit gases. Not really a ramjet, just a modified turbojet.

    in reply to: Once Again The USAF Is Looking To Re-Engine Its B-52 Fleet #2218851
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    Some more comparisons:

    1 ea. i-TF33-P-3 approx. 4,200 pounds ea. dry (Take-off 17,000 / Continuous ?) Fan 52″ dia.

    1 ea. CFM56-5C2 approx. 5,700 pounds ea. dry (Take-off 31,200 / Continuous ?) Fan 77″ dia.
    1 ea. PW2337 approx. 7,200 pounds ea. dry (Take-off 36,600 / Continuous ?) Fan 79″ dia.
    1 ea. PW2040 approx. 7,300 pounds ea. dry (Take-off 40,100 / Continuous ?) Fan 79″ dia.
    1 ea. F117-PW-100 approx. 7,100 pounds ea. dry (Take-off 41,700 / Continuous ?) Fan 85″ dia.
    1 ea. RB211-535E4B approx. 7,300 pounds ea. dry (Take-off 43,100 / Continuous ?) Fan 74″ dia.
    1 ea. RB211-524H approx. 9,700 pounds ea. dry (Take-off 60,600 / Continuous ?) Fan 86″ dia.
    1 ea. CF6-80C2 approx. 9,000 pounds ea. dry (Take-off 62,100 / Continuous 53,000) Fan 93″ dia.

    http://www.jet-engine.net/civtfspec.html
    http://www.jet-engine.net/miltfspec.html

    in reply to: Once Again The USAF Is Looking To Re-Engine Its B-52 Fleet #2219199
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    It’s penetration speed at low altitude is a modest 360knots: http://www.dept.aoe.vt.edu/~mason/Mason_f/B52S05.pdf

    They need to remove the tail gun and install an EODAS for self protection. You would be far more protects using LOAL air-to-air missiles If it went two large engines and two asymmetrical smaller ones (F100?) then it gives reason to reinstall 1,000 gallon (pre- B-52H) or 3,000 (B-52C) gallon fuel tanks on the wings. How about each F100 has a pair of F-15E FASTpacks to lug around external LGB’s and/or SDB’s.

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