Yes, we touched on this earlier last week. I think if you look at what was reported it seems as if they got themselves into a pretty hefty leasing contract for those 767s and also generally you would imagine that the loads between the US mainland and Hawaii are below average.
Indeed, I am not saying that I don’t think that it matters if Air France’s aircraft are dirty, all I am stressing is that there are reasons behind dirty aircraft. Air France is a persistent offender I admit and it does not do much for a very image conscious country that is supposed to be at the forefront of lavish designs, to have a national carrier that has a disgraceful and dirty livery. You can imagine what passengers must think when they see the aircraft, it must be disasterous for the PR!
Yes Mongu, my statement about the flexibility and economics of washing aircraft was rather far-fetched, however, still it would remain a factor as to why aircraft are not washed as frequently.
Nevertheless, I was only stressing the point that there are reasons for aircraft getting dirty and that every time an aircraft does a sector to a place like Dakar where it is sandy or Toronto where it is snowy, it is bound to get dirty. As long as the inside of the aircraft is clean then personally I am not vexed.
With the flexibility factor, many of Air France’s long haul aircraft are flying 18 hours a day at any time, this leaves precious little time to actually get the aircraft maintained plus also washed and so it is left in a state where, ok it may do AF’s publicity wrong, but where it is still fit to fly. With the economics, can you imagine the whole AF fleet being cleaned after every single rotation? It’s not a matter of money nor time; it’s just logical that an aircraft can’t go back in the hangar because of some stains every time it flies, it wouldn’t make sense.
Even if Air France’s aircraft are dirty they are not the only one, as some appear to believe. Have you see the dirt that sometimes is visible on a 732, a 747 or the worst culprit the TU-154? It is just a case that AF has a white livery and so dirt is more apparent as it is on Delta, Air Canada and Swiss.
Very chic!
I received an email with this optical illusion attached last week…Quite extraordinary!
I received an email with this optical illusion attached last week…Quite extraordinary!
Well the Mars program was quite interesting…
The A340s operate to a lot of African destinations so they are bound to get dirty with wind and sand and dust. Washing an aircraft is very expensive and airlines like to reduce costs, it is natural. What would you rather, Air France making money or losing it? You have to get many trucks etc to do the job with different materials because it is an aircraft not a car. It is probably customary to think washing an aircraft is like washing a car-it is not. They don’t just get dirt particles on them but also grease etc, which needs more than just a hose. Moreover, you can’t just go out and wash the aircraft, you have to get designated areas and also because AF have the majority of their aircraft flying over long periods, it is hard to schedule time for washing.
Personally I’m not really interested about how dirty the aircraft. I ride on buses that look dirty, I ride on trains that look dirty I even go in a car that is dirty, so why should this not imply to aircraft too? I know it is bad for the companies looks are prestige but if people understood the economics and procedures involved (especially some that govern in France), then I’m sure they would not care much for the dirt on the aircraft.
As long as the aircraft is safe, well maintained and clean inside then c’est la vie….
And you felt the Aer Lingus special promotional scheme was bad….
I generally can type pretty much at a considerable speed with a quite good success rate with the ‘hunt and peck’ method without looking at the keypad. I never really considered myself to be quick at typing until certain people were amazed at how good I actually could do it with one or two fingers. I guess it is just progress after using a computer so often.
I can also type with all my fingers, however, I hurt my wrists doing this and take a lot slower so I don’t use it that often.
I generally can type pretty much at a considerable speed with a quite good success rate with the ‘hunt and peck’ method without looking at the keypad. I never really considered myself to be quick at typing until certain people were amazed at how good I actually could do it with one or two fingers. I guess it is just progress after using a computer so often.
I can also type with all my fingers, however, I hurt my wrists doing this and take a lot slower so I don’t use it that often.
T5 will have A380 gates equipped for the A380 like T3. Qantas will move to T5 as it is becoming the Oneworld major hub terminal.
Ah, ok…one in a series of adverts :p
Yes, exactly Greekdude1, that was along the same lines I was thinking. Obviously airports which will receive the A380 will be in large quantities rather than just one or two, like LAX or CDG etc. So I would think airports that are generally relying on the A380 and know that some stake of their future prosperity as a major international airport, is based on the A380, would therefore take the initiative to provide for these aircraft themselves.
Smaller airports, as I was insinuating, will probably not receive the A380 so it is any concern for them to expand as airlines like Virgin Atlantic will continue to use the 744 or the A340 as normally.
How is the A318 doing in terms of sales? I know it is hardly the success so far that Airbus were hoping.