A while ago I was heavily into RC model aircraft where it was an easy thing to experiment with props of different makes, diameters and pitches as well as with two, three and four blades, all driven by the same engine. The variation on resulting performance was astonishing.
Obviously such trials are somewhat more difficult on full size aircraft and I bet in many cases, with the pressure of getting it into production, they gave up when something near expectations was achieved.
Richard
An image of the Comet racer appears on the side of one of his display support vehicles during his 1936 tour, see his Wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._W._A._Scott
Was it this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTQwkKameLg
John
The same picture appears in the book Farnborough and the Fleet Air Arm by Geoffrey Cooper, there it also states the aircraft was N3635. In that book it explains that a pair of rocket carriers were to be fitted between each inboard and outboard engine, each carrier was to contain twelve 3in UP’s(unrotaing projectiles) and were wired to fire serially in pairs at a time. Early tests were carried out without problem and the result was impressive.
The master selector switch could be set to ‘pairs’ or ‘all’ the latter to be used just for circuit testing, pre-flight.
On 18/8/41 a special demonstration was arrange in front of VIP’s but the mechanic failed to return the switch to pairs. The aircraft was taxied to the runway where the throttles were opened to 3/4 by the pilot Sqn/Ldr B.O. Huxtable who then selected ignition. The result was the two carriers with all rockets blazing shot forwards taking the propellers with them. Once the smoke had cleared the aircraft could be seen with one undercarriage collapsed.
The force applied to the rocket cradles was something like 12 tons, 600% the design load. The aircraft was written off.
Richard
after twenty million of expenditure the preservation of her fails.
Unfortunately a good chunk of that twenty million was the cost of operating the thing and that’s now gone up in smoke, it was never ever going to be part of any legacy. The whole issue of what was to happen at the end of its flying life seems to have been given too little thought.
Perhaps it should make a one off flight to Wroughton and then be pickled in the Science Museum store for posterity.
Richard
A couple of years ago, someone VERY senior on the engineering side of VTTS told me- while we stood under the thing in her hangar- ‘It looks like a Vulcan but it ain’t’.
I cannot believe that very much was changed, if anything. The cost and bureaucratic process of raising modifications to cover alterations would have been impossible and why change something that worked for years in RAF service.
We in the UK do not have the experimental category that the Americans have, they can make major alterations without difficulty, Reno race aircraft being good examples where engines from a different manufacturer are often fitted.
Richard
Obviously an aircraft nose of some sort adapted to make part of a car body http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Barn-find-special-/252701300934?hash=item3ad62bd8c6:g:nrQAAOSw9GhYZODh
Any ideas what its from?
Richard
Just an uneducated comment but I think the crank like item would not have been like a car starter dog but was actually bolted to a shaft, it has broken off through the bolt hole. I also suspect it was a lever of some sort that actuated something else attached where the bolt head is.
Richard
:applause: Yes this forum is a right pain at the moment with the pages leaping up and down with adverts loading.
Its the same for me, I thought it was down to my awful internet speed but it seems to be a lot worse lately. Trying to read or click on something is like playing a game of moving targets.
Richard
Thanks Martin.
I too have seen this incident reported as happening over Farnborough but concluded that it actually happened over Alton. I stand to be corrected but Alton newspapers reported it and local people witnessed it but no one seems to have taken pictures. The Hurricane crash site had a marker placed by an RAF team not long ago.
Richard
Those mystery knobbly arch things look like some sort of support for electrical or bowden cables running to something that moves a fair bit, except I cannot think of anything doing that.
Richard
From the Harleyford Lancaster book the individual aircraft records show the following.
Those annotated with an M appear to be aircraft lost outside of the UK with the reasons recorded as missing/lost or abandoned and the location being the target of raid it was on.
Those shown with an E are down as crashed or salvaged which may mean they were lost due to none combat reasons before leaving our shores.
That theory works apart from 554 which is down as E but recorded as lost!
Richard
Great news, I always prefer the iconic blown bubble canopy Canberra’s and this particular one is historic in its own right, being the altitude record holder. I thought the stumbling block to returning it to the sky was finding flight worthy Avon’s.
Richard
I don’t know if I was just unlucky but my copy last month had something wrong with the pictures, they looked a bit like 3D images as seen without the 3D glasses.
Richard
So, almost six years after I started this thread, I have found, amongst Dads flight papers, a record of this event, and can now confirm the station he landed at was Manston… thanks again for all your contributions.
Do you have any more details as your initial post six years ago was contradictory, you said ‘his full laden BCAL 707, with extremely marginal fuel reserves’.
If he was at the end of a log flight he would be nowhere near full laden and his airfield options would have been many, but the choice may have been reduced by only having marginal fuel remaining.
Richard