You can see the water level, its half way up the windows!
Resmoroh
Does your contact say where the pic was taken and what the ‘incident’ was. Presumably this image shows the a/c in the process of being dismantled after the event but why, I can see no obvious sighns of crash damage other than the possibility it had belly landed.
Richard
Brewerjerry and Anon
Are we all talking about the same bits here chaps, 166,170 and 171 are one item of heavy construction, the keel being particularly solid. I do wonder if this is not some sort of boat hull, possibly built by a company with an aircraft background, ie Saro’s.
167 and 168 have the red paint on them and looks to be a much lighter build, and more like an aircraft part, while 169 is a third item that has me beaten.
Wish I lived near there.
Richard
Very frustrating, it certainly looks like aircraft parts but what.
Room for a few swastika’s on it though.
Richard
I have a three issues with this item :-
1. The part of the structure that runs through the middle of the complete item(visible on the other forum pictures) is the fin spar, possible one of two, but would run vertically or slightly angled back if it were from a swept fin. The swastika is painted with its edge aligned with the spar. If you rotate the swastika to stand on one corner(as they were) the spar would be at 45degrees to the vertical. I cannot find a german WW2 aircraft where the fin would be like that.
2. The ‘L’ sections, or spar caps are extrusion, not folded metal. Did the Germans use extrusion in aircraft construction. It is very common not but I dont know when its use started.
3. Looking at how the original item was cut would suggest they used a band saw, so the complete fin would have been placed flat on the cutting table of the saw. Just seems to me to have been an unlikely method for the part to have been salvaged.
Richard
Yes I have often wondered how effective the Swordfish was, I can only think its lack of speed was made up for by its rugged simplicity, handling, endurance and the ability to lift a heavy load. It could operate from a tiny carrier deck in most weathers.
In effect was it very much different to a modern helicopter, such as the Westland Lynx, in what it could do.
The bravery of those who flew the Swordfish on operations was unbelievable.
Richard
Yes I have often wondered how effective the Swordfish was, I can only think its lack of speed was made up for by its rugged simplicity, handling, endurance and the ability to lift a heavy load. It could operate from a tiny carrier deck in most weathers.
In effect was it very much different to a modern helicopter, such as the Westland Lynx, in what it could do.
The bravery of those who flew the Swordfish on operations was unbelievable.
Richard
Cees
Several Hastings ended their lives by being scrapped in Malta. The ones I know of are WJ324 a C4 VIP aircraft used by FEAF and MEAF and another was WJ328 a C2. The remains of these may have lingered for a while after they were broken up.
Richard
It is nice to see this project progressing so well, can someone explain something though, They say in the words that go with the WD840 project that one item they have used is the main fuel tank from the spare fuselage section. The top of it is visible in one picture.
My question is, whats it made from, I would have expected it to be a rubber self sealing bag tank that old age would have made unuseable, or is it a metal tank, perhaps with a self sealing layer over it.
Richard
Timely question that i’d like some answers also please. The Invader is covered in pockets of corrosion small, large & huge and the ally’ is delaminating.
The underside is especially bad having been sat outdoors in water & vegetation for 20+ years. Blasting it isn’t an option due to the size, what else can i do ?
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If the problem is with airframe internal structure(bits you dont really see or touch), and you just want to arrest the dacay as much as possible, a liberal coating of Waxoyl does wonders, it doesnt look pretty but it soaks into the flaky stuff and keeps the moisture and oxygen away. If at a later date you want to remove it a hot jet wash will shift it.
Richard
Just to let everyone know G-AORG is well and should be flying again very,very soon. We, the group based in Jersey, have spent quite, NO LOTS, of money on this beautiful historic aircraft including a re-paint and new interior. Unfortunately the re-wire and new maintenance schedule is causing us a few problems with people known as the CAA! When will you see the Duchess flying again??? Well please be patient as we are in the hands of Gatwick. You know what that means.
Yes we believe the Duchess is the only Heron still flying in ORIGINAL state.
A FOUNDER MEMBER…
Its good to hear that she is in safe hands and being looked after in the way she deserves. Its easy for examples of our heritage to be allowed to slip away, remaining only as a memory.
Your efforts and investment are appreciated.
Regards Richard
The DH/BAe Trident had a life of 22,000 cycles/landings which seems fairly low. I seem to remember it was a contractual figure used during the initial purchase contracts, expected to rise if the world fleet size had been large enough, then BAe would have seen value in looking at life extension programmes, but that never happened.
Some small extension was allowed though if certain ‘critical’ components were replaced, one of these being the flap track beams, which were ‘I’ section and made of titanium alloy.
BA had wanted to keep a small number of Trident 2 in service as Shuttle backups so placed an order on BAe for a batch of beams, with a lead time in many months, unfortunately after a long wait a mistake was made in the machining and most were scrap. This brought foreward the earlier than planned retirement of Trident 2 fleet.
The Trident 3B had already suffered wing cracking and had been fitted with reinforcing plates and re rigged ailerons so had no life extension potential.
Richard
While the wing outer panels may be identical to Lancaster the York Centre-section is obviously of a wider span due to the fuselage width and significantly different in that area due to the high wing mounting and transport fuselage configuration, ie no bomb bay floor, no mounting for the covered wagon section of fuselage, and too wide for it in any case.
Mark Pilkington
Mark
I always thought the centre section on both York and Lanc were essentially the same in size, both have a span of 102 feet.
Richard
Aren’t we forgetting David’s Hornet project, Ellliot’s Whitley project and John and Martins Stirling cockpit projects?
The Defiant comes to mind too.
Cees
Cees
Sorry I meant to say that it was airworthy replicas I was thinking of, although a fine static example is nearly as good and I applaud the superb efforts being made by the gentlemen you refer to.
Richard
Boom boom!