Airmac
This float looks like the product of the early 1920’s. Those used during WW1 were usually wooden boxy affairs with flat sides,top and bottom. By the mid to late 20’s they were usually made of metal so yours falls in the short gap in between.
The only image I can find that show something similar is of the 1924 Gloster II Schneider trophy racer, two built, one crashed, race cancelled. They appear to have that curved top line.
Can someone have a look in the Putnam Gloster book(cant find mine) as I can only find this one picture.
The one issue I have is with the four point strut attachment, although that might be for interchangeability reasons or two being for the upright struts and the other two for the spreaders.
http://avia.russian.ee/air/england/gloster-2.php
Richard
When I lived in Farnborough I could hear Concorde depart LHR if the wind was from the East, thats something like 22 miles.
Where I live now we have a farm strip, used infrequently by microlights, its attracted some noise complaints. These have been made to the council, but its obvious from the times and descriptions of type that any air movements in the area are attributed to the strip, when they obviously were aircraft just transiting through.
When sitting in said council office to discuss the complaints withe a council officer they exclaimed on hearing a engine noise outside “there’s one now, microlights are noisy”. It was the grass being mown just outside the window.
Incidentally I as a lad lived near Greenham when it was fully active with B47, KC97 and the odd B58, WB50, C124, C133 etc they were fantastic, especially the B47 stream take off’s that would wipe out best part of a school lesson with noise and smoke.
Richard
When I lived in Farnborough I could hear Concorde depart LHR if the wind was from the East, thats something like 22 miles.
Where I live now we have a farm strip, used infrequently by microlights, its attracted some noise complaints. These have been made to the council, but its obvious from the times and descriptions of type that any air movements in the area are attributed to the strip, when they obviously were aircraft just transiting through.
When sitting in said council office to discuss the complaints withe a council officer they exclaimed on hearing a engine noise outside “there’s one now, microlights are noisy”. It was the grass being mown just outside the window.
Richard
On my first visit to Old Warden I remember the Avro 504 doing a falling leaf, that was about 1965, it must have made an impression for me to remember it.
Eric
Have a look at the SVAS site, it has an update albeit several weeks old. I believe they are building a replacement engine.
Richard
Found this film on YouTube of the Finnish Air War, includes shots of Blenheim’s in action, as well a Buffallo’s and Curtiss Hawk 75’s.
When the ATP was first proposed the design, although based on the 748, was to have been extensively upgraded, including the use of carbon fibre for floor beams, floors, fairings etc unfortunately these features were dropped due lack of funding.
The fin was swept back using the 748 stucture on new mountings purely for appearance sake, and things that had been learned on the 748, like the need for good strong gust locks, were forgotten on the ATP.
The ATP’s main competitor was the ATR42/72 which has a low airframe weight allowing good payloads and performance.
I would dearly have loved the ATP to have been a roaring success but it was nailed by the lack of investment in it at the beginning.
Richard
I remember reading Ormond Haydon-Baillie’s account of ferrying his Sea Fury across the North Atlantic, he had a very heart stopping moment when looking back over his shoalder he could see a long white trail, at first he thought it was oil smoke, then realised it was vapour.
On the subject of dayglo, a Bell UH1 Huey has just passed me heading Southwesterly towards Chichester, painted overall dark green but the door was all Dayglo with S A R in large letters. It passed the other way a few days ago.
Richard
Willip
Daygo paint came into use in the late 40,s and in th UK saw alot of use on research/trials aircraft, also was applied to assist in finding downed aircraft in snow or jungle situations. This type of finish quickly became patchy and faded.
Into the 50’s a change took place to the use of sticky backed dayglo which came on a roll and was cut to size, the back peeled off and was stuck in place, this produced a patchwork effect as rivet lines and panel gaps had to be avoided. This type was a real b####r to get off which might be why it went out of favour. Then into the 70’s red paint seemed to take over.
A good example is found on Hastings which initially had daygo paint some because they were using the Berlin corridor, or were trainers, later they went to stuck on style.
See these http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=423059 for painted example.
And a sticky backed one http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=626379
And later painted red http://www.demobbed.org.uk/image_display.php?otype=542&types=542&aircraft=1426
Thing are no better with British piston powered four engined aircraft, am I right in thinking its just a couple of Lancasters, a Heron or two and Kermits Sandringham as a possible.
If you include turboprop power then you can count a Belfast.
Deryck
I am unsure what you need to know as some of the pictures show the original structure and fabric intact, especially the one at top centre with the bird poo dressing, you can see the ply edge under the fabric l/h and exposed on the r/h side of pic. No effort seems to have been made to fill or blend the joint line, probably good enough for wartime production.
The trailing edge ply would have extended past the rear spar, top and bottom, the elevators rounded nose would have rotated close to this overhang.
Do you have the rest of the airframe?
Richard
I attended a very interesting lecture given by Ormond’s brothers, Wensley I think, about the collection and plans following Ormond’s death.
In the collection they had a boat ‘Brave Challenger’ which was the prototype of a fast patrol boat built by Vospers. It was powered by three marine Proteus, for which spares were getting difficult to find as at that time the SRN4 hovercraft were still in service and they had bought up all they could find.
One tale was of taking the boat to Monaco, where they upset the natives by doing a wet start which sent enormous flames out of the three jet pipes then departing the harbour at a very indecant speed. It was capable of 60knts or more.
It is often moored at Gunwharf Portsmouth these days, with the three jet pipes at the stern covered by what looks like stainless steel toilet seats that fold away when the engines start.
A public first flight could be a publicity disaster if it failed to happen on the day, more so if loads of spectators are there.
Any aircraft, fresh out of heavy maintenance, can throw up all sorts of snags, big and small, that could prevent it flying on any particular day, or the next, or the next. And the weather might add its own spanner to the equation.
I am sure the engineers will work to the usual deadline of it flying when its ready and not before.
For those who were unable to attend DX——–a ready made blank to superimpose on your old warbird pics, just to make you feel like you were there.