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  • in reply to: Navies news from around the world -II #2014749
    Wanshan
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    Chilean Navy in action

    Don’t they also have a single Type 22?

    in reply to: Does Russia want to keep the ex-Gorshkov??? #2014754
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    in reply to: Indian Navy News and Discussions #2015059
    Wanshan
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    3. Even with Wings folded Rafale is smaller than F A 18

    Rafale M Dimensions :
    Longueur / Length: 15,27 m
    Hauteur / Height: 5,34 m
    Envergure / Wingspan: 10,86 m
    Surface alaire / Wingarea: 45,70 m2
    (Has no folding wings)

    F/A-18
    Length
    C 17.07 meters
    E 18.31 meters
    Wingspan over missiles
    C 12.31 meters
    E 13.62 meters
    Span, wings folded
    C 8.38 meters
    E 9.94 meters
    Height
    C 4.66 meters
    E 4.88 meters
    (Has folding wings)

    in reply to: Indian Navy News and Discussions #2015064
    Wanshan
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    Does the INS Viraat have a well dock? When it was with the Royal navy i thought i carried 4 LCVP in a dock? As far as i know it still can be used as a commando carrier in the IN. Any pictures of the dock or inside?

    It carries 4 LCVP on davids. There is no floodable well-deck.

    in reply to: Indian Navy News and Discussions #2015485
    Wanshan
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    Don’t be so dismissive. About the Kitty Hawk the IN Sources said its too old and too big, none of that apply to the CVF. There is a good chance of this going through.

    Expressing interest in buying shopping is fine, but we all window shop at one point or another. However, where does the idea come from that either of the two CVF is or will be up for sale now or anywhere in the not too distant future? And if one would, don’t you think France might be a more likely or more preferred potential buyer (PA2)? Besides, the RN might have use for that second hull even if it would not be used as aircraft carrier (HMS Ocean replacement e.g.). Besides, has work on the no.2 hull actually started already (not building her might be preferable). Likewise, whereever did the idea come from that the US would be offering/willing to sell Kitty Hawk (they’ve not handed-down any super carrier ever, not even to close allies like e.g. UK). Expressing interest – assuming this actually happened (which I doubt) – doesn’t mean didly.

    in reply to: Options for the Sao Paulo in Brazilian Naval Service? #2015752
    Wanshan
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    Remember, even if Brazil decided on a Carrier Replacement Today. It would be at least a decade or more before it entered service. So, you have to think more in the longer-term. So, by time the Carrier was ready. The Skyhawk would be just a memory.;)

    I was not suggesting the A4s would be kept on indefinitely.

    Br can fly other aircraft from the Sao Paolo ‘today’ if they so choose to do. But they don’t. And seem satisfied with that situation

    Likewise, with a new deck, they may not feel a pressing need for e.g. F-35 or F-18E/F, or even Rafale.

    in reply to: Options for the Sao Paulo in Brazilian Naval Service? #2015866
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    I dunno . . . India went for ski-jumps because of its existing Harrier fleet & because the Russians didn’t (& don’t) have any aircraft designed for catapult launch, or catapults. The Harriers were supposed to move over to the ex-Gorshkov when it entered service, & the deal included follow-on STOBAR aircraft: there was no thought given to French or US alternatives which could used a catapult-equipped ship.

    Brazil does not have the same constraints. It has no STOVL aircraft – but it does have catapult-launched aircraft. It has not tied itself to a Russian carrier with no catapults. It does not have Russian aircraft on order which cannot be launched by catapult. It is free to buy a catapult-equipped carrier, & aircraft (Rafale, F-18E, or – by the time it may be built – F-35C) to suit.

    Good points. But also note they’ve accepted the A4 as main asset for a long time. So, why assume, for a new ship, they would necessarily require a top of the line naval F/A aircraft? If they had wanted that, they would have looked for something other than A4 on Sao Paolo. And they didn’t.

    in reply to: Navy surrenders one new aircraft carrier in budget battle #2015869
    Wanshan
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    “it is understood … “

    By whom? [journalist]
    On the basis of what? [hearsay, most likely]

    in reply to: Options for the Sao Paulo in Brazilian Naval Service? #2015935
    Wanshan
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    Yes, but India will continue to keep building Carriers for its own Navy. With a requirement of 3-5 Ships. So, exporting a Carrier is not possible.

    Realistically … mmm, more likely IN will be more than happy IF they manage to get up their carrier number to 3 from the current 1 . As for requirements, IIRC 3 has always been the goal, but in reality a maximum of 2 has been achieved. Which IMHO means eventually Vikramaditya/Gorshkov will also get replaced by a domestically built ship before there is any expansion to 4 or more carriers in the foreseable future.

    in reply to: Options for the Sao Paulo in Brazilian Naval Service? #2015954
    Wanshan
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    The netire Sao Paolo replacement questions hinges on the aircraft which would be selected (apart from money).

    The Russian got Su-33 and Mig-29K to fly of a deck with ski-jump and IIRC the main difference aside from materials, fuselage strengthening is folding wings, issues that jets such as F18C/E and Rafale have already adressed.

    Mig-29K/KUB span: 11,99m unfolded (11.36 m for a non-naval ’29)
    F-18E Span: 13.62 m (9.3m with wings folded)
    F-18C Span: 12.30 m (8.4m with wings folded)
    Rafale Span: 10,80 m
    F-35B Span: 10,5 m
    Tejas Span: 8.20 m

    I don’t see why Brazil wouldn’t opt for an (Italian-)Indian carrier design, with e.g. either Rafale and/or (locally made?) Tejas.

    in reply to: PLAN Carrier Updates. #2016471
    Wanshan
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    new pictures have emerged on the Varyag.

    http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1879/varyagnov5.jpg

    http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3973/varyagnov52.jpg

    This is Kuznetsov. Why would PLAN remove parts of the island only to rebuild it to make it exactly like it was before …. IIRC the radars on Type 52C are much different.

    http://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/worldwideaircraftcarriers/kuznetsov4.jpg

    http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/attachments/Mon_0909/25_131737_d9a4f599f5807dd.jpg

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nhJB5jai9TE/SqL8odkWlCI/AAAAAAAAAC8/vq47Huy_wZs/s400/Varyag+Island+Sep4+3.jpg

    in reply to: JMSDF 16DDH #2016783
    Wanshan
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    Then there is the CanberraViraat comparison… Viraat is a 50-year-old STOVL carrier designed for ASW/attack with no amphibious capabilities, and Canberra is a new amphibious assault ship with a well dock for landing craft and troop transport helo capability… and only secondary STOVL capacity with no ASW capability. The Australians also have no current plans to buy any STOVL aircraft so they couldn’t use them to “project air power outside the range of land-based aircraft” anyway.

    Again, the only thing in common is the full-length flight deck and their size.

    “Originally laid down as a Centaur class ship, but completed to an extensively altered, and much more capable, design. Like the others, converted to the assault role when she could no longer operate first-line combat jets. … Converted to a commando carrier at Devenport Dockyard 1 March 1971 to 18 Aug 1973. Converted to ASW carrier 10 May 1976 to 10 Dec 1976”

    “Former Centaur class light fleet carriers converted to assault ships when they were rendered obsolete as aircraft carriers. These were some of the earliest and largest dedicated assault ships. They were known as “commando carriers“. The conversion of Centaur was cancelled due to cost.

    Design/Conversion: Catapults, arresting gear, etc. removed; berthing spaces altered as needed, space for vehicle and equipment storage added. Retained ability to act as interim ASW carriers. (Aircraft: 16 helicopters)
    http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/carriers/uk_helo.htm#herm

    So, no docking well but “The vessel [INS Viraat] retains commando transport capability, for around 750 troops and carries four LCVP landing craft aft.”
    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Ships/Active/183-INS-Viraat.html

    as compared to:

    Juan Carlos I (L61) “strategic projection vessel” (Buque de Proyección Estratégica (BPE) with docking well:
    Boats and landing craft carried: Four LCM
    Capacity: 902 soldiers + up to 46 Leopard 2 tanks
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buque_de_Proyecci%C3%B3n_Estrat%C3%A9gica

    Australia would purchase and build two ships of the same design (to become the Canberra-class Landing Helicopter Docks).
    Boats and landing craft carried: 4 x LCM
    Capacity: 830 lane metres (3290 m2) Heavy vehicle deck: 1410 m2
    Light vehicle deck: 1889 m2
    Helo hangar capacity: 990 m2
    Troops: 978 (+ 146 additional)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_class_Landing_Helicopter_Dock

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world -II #2016818
    Wanshan
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    It also looks bigger then 9,000 ton. If that image is correct in scale, that ship will be larger then the British Bay class LSD’s (which only has one chinook sized landing spot from memory).

    http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/E68827DF-6F61-4AA3-BF5C-53E106CAC8C2/0/AJL_0167.JPG

    Bay could easily handle 2 Chinook if it weren’t for that overhead crane across the flight deck.

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world -II #2016822
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    The Chilean project seems to be based on the Dutch concept “Enforcer” LPD 8000.

    http://www.naval.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/jss20karel20doormanhc61.jpg

    http://www.naval.com.br/blog/2009/11/03/marinha-chilena-vai-construir-lpd/

    Interesting, it appears to have RAS stations on the flanks, just forward of the cranes. Also of interest: 2x Goalkeeper, Thales I-mast 400 or 500.

    This must be a variant of the project ‘joint support ship’, which is to replace the oldest of the 2 Dutch AORs in 2011.
    http://www.defensie.nl/dmo/materieelprojecten/zeestrijdkrachten/verwerving_joint_logistiek_ondersteuningsschip_(jss)/

    in reply to: PLAN Carrier Updates. #2016857
    Wanshan
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    Anyway, I wonder if there are any fresh pictures out there of the Varyag?

    I’m wondering with you! :p

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