My source is some one who has been monitoring the progress of P-17 and P-15A for quite some time.

Any ways from what I know and understand so far to sum it up , P17 will have a single arm Shtil-1 system , follow on 3 Talwar will have VLS Shtil-1.

P-15A will *most likely* not armed with Barak-8 , but will have an alternate LR SAM , The Barak-8 will most likely first appear on P-17A.

It is possible that batch 2 Talwars will get VL Shtil. However, I’ve not been able to track down any credible online open sources for this. And without those, I see no reason to assume the VL version.

As for P15A, that image (of the first vessel) I posted above is at least 6 months old, probably more like one year. The hull was mostly done already by then. How long can one keep building on a vessel and still change the main missile battery? It was originally planned with VL Shtil (although BR now says different, look at the text with the line drawing).

If Barak-8 is out (and ASTER is not happening either), then I see just 2-3 possibilities: ESSM is claimed to have a 50+ km (27+ nm) range, which is equal or better to that of the Shtil 9M317ME in a much more compact package (esp if combined with shortest ‘tactical’ Mk41 VLU). However, if Mk41s are installed, then you might as well go for SM-2 for some real range. Sticking with the russian VLU would limit the options to an alternate missile. I do seem to recall having read something about or seeing an image of one of the newer, smaller missiles for the RIF system (S400?), being about equal size to the 9M317ME, being put forward as alternate possibility to fit in the same launcher. However, all these options would require a substantially different radar director outfit.

Hate to say this, but I’m going to be very conservative on this. Just like you, Austin, back in 2004

No now the VLS shtil-1 , the new follow on Talwar will have a VLS system of Shtil-1 , there are also talking about the RIF system , but for now Shtil-1 looks to be the case.

As far as P-15A goes it not the Shtil-1 , they are looking at other options available for this.

All online sources I’ve seen only speak of replacing Club with Brahmos. I really would like to see an authoritative source for the contention of VL Shtil on the second set of Talwars.

Considering something other then Shtil-1 VL for P15A “Delhi 2”? Well, there are at least 2 hulls that are already way progressed and you can just change systems that easily anymore once you progress building beyond a certain point. (bottom ship is P15A)

Project 15A DDG Detailed (Also has pics of the second batch Talwars)

That’s a version of P15A way ahead of earlier models. like this:

Here’s your batch 2 Talwars. (no VLS)

Thank You.

The SA Transport Website gave me access to the 4 Naval Frigate Ship Crest’s and a heap of pictures concerning the weaponry.

The frigates aren’t really anti-air frigates but they do pack a punch with the umkhonto IR Air-to-Air.

Kind Regards & Thank You

Admiral Antonie

That’s because they are not the yard-proposed AAW variant but a variant tailored SA requirements.

http://navy.org.za/articles/tag/mekoa200

AFAIK the second batch Talwars wil get Brahmos rather than Club but otherwise little difference in armaments. IRRC P15A will be the first to receive VL Shtil.

FABG-60(KH-6 missile boat)
http://www.nownews.com/2008/09/26/301-2340814.htm

F-105: its design was tailored to high-speed low-altitude penetration carrying a single nuclear bomb internally. The aircraft was intended primarily for supersonic, low altitude penetration into the Soviet Union on a hi-lo-hi mission and delivery of a single, internally carried nuclear bomb. Thus, with emphasis placed on low-altitude speed and flight characteristics, range and payload, the aircraft would be fitted with a large engine, and a relatively small wing with a high wing loading which would give a stable ride at low altitudes, and less drag at supersonic speeds. Traditional fighter attributes such as maneuverability were a secondary consideration. The Thunderchief’s highly loaded wing was excellent for speed and smooth ride but not for sustained turns in a dogfight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-105_Thunderchief

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II

On other words: very different role for very different aicraft > b.s. comparison