I think its an airliner, there are two contrails coming from the rear fuselage suggesting a pair of rear mounted engines and you can make out black wing shapes beyond the white parts of the wings. If you look at the enlarged image you you will see what looks like a cockpit window round the front of the forward fuselage. Probably something like an MD-90.

Double contrails > twin engined > not a missile (Tomahawk and SLAM-ER are single engined)

In absolute values they might be slightly superior to what Russia produces

LOL – sorry, couldn’t disagree more.

Poor exports, small domestic orders, no economy in scale effects.

True, but this says little about the quality of the systems. Besides, it’s a gross generalization. As for those exports: what about Signaal/Thales Netherlands, German Meko ships and various subs, Leo series 1 and 2, to name but a few…

Italian experience with designing weapons for wartime is laughable compared to Russian one, like it or not.

Not in the area of naval design, it isn’t

Hmmm… looks like some 28 or so hits on the hull of that Knox-type frigate alone… plus more on the superstructure?

Either the ship was real tough (with no DC crew aboard), or the missiles didn’t do that much damage.

Or maybe those weren’t missile hits but gun hits (127mm)? Or maybe most of the missile damage is internal (semi-armored piercing warhead)?

Hi,
Well I stand correct than. It was a deal for both yards. The design however resembles more the Bremen “sub class” than the original Kortenaer class, don´t you agree?

Yes, the superstructure is more like Bremen. Don’t know about the spec of the power plant, but that would be a goog give-away as Kortenaar and Bremen differ in that.

A German early 1970s AAW frigate:

Fregatte 70 started as a Dutch-German project but the Dutch soon bailed (1971), while the Germands continued for a while (1974). The Dutch instead came up with their Tromp class. Not sure it lead to anything on the Germand side. Anyway, Fregatte clearly has the same Signaal Broomstick 3-D (SPS-01) radar as the Tromp.

Attached below a modified version of the S(tandaard) frigate a.k.a. Kortenaar class. This was offered to Iran under the Shah. Ten were envisioned, to complement the four destroyers ordered from the US that later became the Kidd class. The German F122 Bremen class is another S-frigate derivative, which is in some ways very close to the ship envisioned for Iran.

I suspect it had mainly to do with the choice of avionics.

It seems the Dutch government in the 1950’s made a strategic decision to foster a naval electronics industry while not pursuing an independent capability to develop a jet fighter.

At least the decision to equip Dutch navy ships with locally developed and built radars paid off, creating a competitive industry that captured a considerable world market share including the US Navy (see Signaal “egg” on FFG-7 frigates).

According to a Japanese MoD document, their F-2 fighter development took 13 years at the cost of 3,274 billion Yen, while the development of FPS-5 active phased-array radar took the same 13 years but only 170 billion Yen.

Cheers,
Sunho

Actually, the shipbuilding industry in the Netherlands was much much older and more established than the aerospace industry. Naval electronics from the Netherlands also pre-dates WW2: Thales-NL/Hollandse Signaal Apparaten all stem from Hazemeyer, a Dutch Siemens subsidiary, which already built radar gun controls in the 1930s. Prior to World War II, this firm developed a very advanced triaxial mounting together with a tachymetric control system. Upon the Dutch defeat in 1940, this mounting was brought to Britain where it was immediately copied and introduced into production. These guns were fitted to both RN and USN ships during WW2. So, both naval shipdesign and naval electronics where industries that were further along to begin with when jet propulsion finally arrived .

http://www.dutchfleet.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=9275&sid=18aab91fb79e9a84e2915472dde22f3c
http://www.dutchfleet.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=7332
“Hazemeyer was a Dutch subsidiary of Siemens Halske. Prior to World War II, this firm developed a very advanced triaxial mounting together with a tachymetric control system. As noted above, upon the Dutch defeat in 1940, this mounting was brought to Britain where it was immediately copied and introduced into production.”

“Das erste mit der neuen Waffe [Bofors 40 mm L/60] ausgerüstete Schiff war der holländische Kreuzer De Ruyter. Insgesamt fünf Zwillingsbofors wurden auf einer triaxial stabiliserten Lafette (Hazemeyer) montiert und von einem gemeinsamen Feuerleitsystem kontrolliert. Diese Kombination war wegweisend für die zukünftige Entwicklung.”
http://www.modellmarine.de/phpwebsite/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_printable&PAGE_id=1186&lay_quiet=1

“The British Army first showed interest in these guns in 1933 and placed an order for 100 of them in 1937. First Royal Navy shipboard use of air-cooled guns was in late 1941 aboard the battleships Prince of Wales and Nelson and on the cruisers Manchester and Erebus, although some ships had earlier been temporarily armed with Army air-cooled guns that had been “rescued” during the evacuation of the Norway invasion forces in 1940. The British water-cooled version was developed from the Dutch Hazemeyer mounting which had arrived in Britain in 1940 aboard the Dutch minelayer Willem van der Zaan. The first issue of locally produced water-cooled Bofors guns was to the Black Swan class sloop HMS Whimbrel in November 1942. “
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_4cm-56_mk12.htm

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/RNCIWS.html

1922 Foundation N.V. Hazemeyer’s fabriek van Signaalapparaten
1948 Hollandse Signaalapparaten B.V.
1957 Subsidiary of Philips
1990 Subsidiary of Thomson-CSF
2000 Thomson-CSF changes name to THALES
2001 Hollandse Signaalapparaten becomes THALES NEDERLAND B.V.
http://www.cpo-dag.nl/Presentaties%202007/CPO-DAG_07_WS_Weerdenburg_Thales.pdf

Surely, a country that can design and build SSKs like the Walrus class and frigates like the LCF – in which a great number of very different systems require integration – can also put together a flying machine that is halfway decent for combat purposes. The problems are a) political will and b) funding. Which are precisely the reasons why the Netherlands has not put together a figther independently after WWII (witness the NF-5A/B history, which were purchased of the canadian line rather than homebuilding a true dutch variant) Closest thing is the mach-trainer Fokker S.14. I suppose we could come up with something along the lines of at least the South Korean A-50 light attack aircraft, the Taiwanese Ching-Kuo Indigenous Defence Fighter, or – better looking – the EADS MEKO Light Attack Aircraft.