Brez, could you try and consolidate posts into a single large one? You’re not here just to boost your post rate are you? 🙂

If project 24 was an imrpoved project 23… it would be similar to Yamato in displacement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovetsky_Soyuz_class_battleship

I have yet to see a UCAV land on a carrier.

That won’t be long (J-UCAS / X-47B). See: http://www.darpa.mil/j-ucas/

Even NZ can design and build its own ships. That means very little.

Which ships would that be? I don’t see that many nations putting together an LCF, particularly not small nations.

Most NATO countries can pick and choose what weapons they have but realisitically they wont ever actually use them except when operating under the umbrella of US carrier groups. The reality is much like in the NATO Kosovo campaign where everyone brought F-16s an only the US had the so called force multiplier extras. One could ask why the Dutch have SM2s… one could also ask why they even need an airforce… which neighbour will invade them?

Oh sure, no NATO country ever does anything without cover of US carrier groups…. [cough FALKLANDS cough ]

The Netherlands maintains an active peace and security policy. An active security policy includes a willingness to intervene at an early stage in crisis situations in other parts of the world, obviously within an international context. The aim is to resolve conflicts without resorting to military force. If the use of diplomatic, economic, financial and humanitarian means fails, however, sufficient military resources must be available to be able to carry out both peacekeeping and peace enforcement tasks. Foreign policy, development cooperation (i.e. international development issues) and defence issues are to an increasing extent in line with one another. The Dutch armed forces have three main tasks:
• the defence of national and allied territory, including the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba;
• promoting the international rule of law and stability;
• supporting and assisting civilian authorities in maintaining law and order, providing disaster relief and humanitarian aid, on a national as well as an international scale.

Over the past decade tens of thousands of Dutch troops have
taken part in a great many crisis management operations, from the
Balkans to Afghanistan and from Cambodia to Iraq. On two
occasions they played a leading part: the Task Force Fox operation in Macedonia and, together with Germany, the ISAF operation in
Afghanistan. The Netherlands also provided the commander for
the UN peacekeeping force in Ethiopia and Eritrea (UNMEE) and
for the Multinational Division Southwest of SFOR in Bosnia.

Why Spain and Netherlands needs, frigates armed with SM2(120km) range, along with ESSM, with 30km range? Why Spain and Netherlads waste money?? :confused:
Is better for a warship to have 3 level air defence capability
1. CIWN
2.VLS Sthil missiles
3.Navalized S-300/S-400

My proposal is for Russian navy to develop a DDG armed both medium and long range AAW missiles.

1. They are not frigates really (at 6000 tons)
2. 120km and 30km range against what? High flying aircraft? Or sea skimming missiles?
3. Virtually all spanish major combattants had Standard (Balaeres, Santa Maria). Only Descubierta class corvettes has Sea Sparrow. Only with introductin of F100 comes ESSM, as Baleares and Descubierta are phased out. The ships of the Ducth were intended as AAW command ships for a group of ships otherwise consisting of 3000 ton SeaSparrow/ESSM equipped ASW frigates. Both navys focus on longer range missilery now because of the increased need to conduct out of area operations independently, away from landbased air cover.

I don’t see why a combination of three hard kill systems is a necessity (speak of wasting money). CIWS plus 1 SAM will do fine for small and large ship, but each with a different SAM.

On the Castle class, 25 year old OPV’s are hardly the stuff of dreams, and those two boats have been worked hard. I wonder if Pakistan will up arm them? RN policy is to have a nominal weapons fit on their OPV (at least in peacetime) with little more than a light automatic cannon.

Their primary mission is to serve with the Fishery Protection Squadron, protecting both the fishing fleets and the oil and gas fields. In addition, they can serve as environmental protection vessels (they have detergent spraying facilities on board for dispersing oil slicks) and can also serve as minelayers. They have a large flight deck capable of supporting a Sea King helicopter and although no hanger is provided, refeuling facilities are available to allow a shore based helicopter to operate at sea for longer periods of time without needing to return to base. Two Avon Sea Rider high-speed craft are embarked and they can carry 50 troops for sustained anti-terrorist ops (or 120 for short durations). Maximum speed of 20 knots and a cruising speed of 15 knots. Armament 1 x 30 mm Gun (10 km range)

In 97 in a big exercitation the Da Vinci a Sauro class (italian navy), have “sunk” an Us carrier, few hours later a french one and the day after an lph.
I found only the photo of the turret painted with tons score.

23 Feb – 2 Mar 1999: Walrus (2) participates, among other NATO navies and the Brazilian navy, in the exercise JTFEX / TMDI99.

JTFEX / TMDI99 stands for Joint Task Force Exercise / Theatre Missile Defence Initiative 1999. The exercise is held in the Caribbean and on the US main land and has 27000 participants, of which 15000 naval participants. This exercise is the biggest gathering of forces since the Gulf-war, is held from 1 Feb to 4 Mar 1999.

During this exercise the Walrus (2) penetrates the US screen and ‘sinks’ many ships, including the US aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt CVN-71. The submarine launches two attacks and manages to sneak away. To celebrate the sinking the crew designed a special T-shirt. Other ships that are sunk by the Walrus (2) during this exercise are: USS Boise SSN-764, Ro?m DDG-70, R? DDG-61, Ville De Quebec FFH/FFG-332, Stephen W. Grooves FFG-29, Holstein F-216, Vella Gulf CG-55, Mount Whitney LCC-20.

http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_F.VII
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Trimotor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_52
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni_Ca.133

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