Hey Wan, mate back in the 30’s this guy built a sub that could fly, it could only submerge to conning tower but could fly to 9000ft and had a top speed of 130mph.
I saw some drawings in Military Parade of a submersible missile boat, i.e. a cross between a missile boat (FAC) and a sub, but i never heard of a sub that could fly. Any drawings?
Looking at the forward gun mount, that whole ensemble looks a lot like the way the 76mm is mounted on the Italian NUMC / Comandante class corvettes. Is this some sort of standard module, which required little or no deck penetration?
Well seeing as Arabel is considered inferior to Sampson, it is quite possible. The gun arrangement is ridiculous, it dosnt allow for the future fitting of a large calibre gun, unlike the T-45 which could take one of the new 5 inchs or a 39 calibre 155mm.
The gun arrangement is related to the adoption and use of the Oto 76mm super-rapid in CIWS role, at longer range than could be obtained with CIWS like Phalanx or Goalkeeper. Alows for engagement of multiple targets from multiple directions. As adopted also in, for example, the Italian Luigi Durand de la Penne class DDGs , in combination with a single 127 gun. Before that, there was the Audace class DDG, with 2x single 127mm and 4x 76mm (in pairs on each beam). In other words, it reflects the AAW role of the ship, which is given priority over shore bombardment.
I said that except the guns and EW/ECM and torpeedo launcher… they are NAKED. There aren’t helicopters at the moment. First Naval Pilots are in training now.
No you didn’t, check the quotation and the original post. You said:
“Romanian Navy Type-22 Frigate don’t have any kind of weapons on them except the OTO Melara gun.”
WisePanda, I don’t think the Talwars will get VLS Shtil, you have to remember that at this moment, the missiles are all stored in two 10-missile cylinders on top of each other. If you’d want to place the same amount of missiles in a VLS module, I think you’ll need more area than the current single arm launcher requires. I’m not sure of this as the VLS Shtil isn’t a reality yet and so the area could be smaller than expected. It should however be taken in account.
While I agree SRL Shtil is likely on the new Talwars, I’m not convinced by this reasoning. How then do you explain the 2×12 VL Shtil outfit planned for P15A, replacing the 24 missile SRL Shtil outfit on the P15?
Nope, swing wing is variable geometry (movable wings i.e. Su-24, F-111, Mig23/27). Mission adaptive wing does away with slats and flaps and changed the cross-section (leading and trailing edge curvature) of the wing.
Romanian Navy Type-22 Frigate don’t have any kind of weapons on them except the OTO Melara gun. Supposely the additional weapons will be addded during seccond upgrade program 2007-2008.
I think the MICA VL is intended as SAM but it is not yet fitted, same w.r.t. SSM. However ….. in addition to 76mm gun, there are a pair of armed helicopter (ASW/ASUW), lightweight ASW torpedo tubes, full sensor with in all three dimensions (surface, air, subsruface), EW/ECM. Ships originally had 2 – DES / Oerlikon 30mm/75 twin mounts and 2 – Oerlikon / BMARC 20mm GAM-B01 single mounts, which I presume are easy to mount and dismount depending on need.
At least 24 US Navy squadrons flew the Bearcat, some until as late as 1952, after which some were sold to the French Armee de l’Air for combat operations in Indo-China. Another 129 Bearcats were sold to the Thai Air Force. http://www.warbirdalley.com/bearcat.htm
if you have to choose for your only major combattant for the future, would you rather opt for a short range defense along with a medium range one, or would you opt for two short range systems that actually do the same (and have NO option of defending any other ship in the vicinity)?
However, if the alternative a ship with this combo or no ship at all ….
Isn’t that the Poliment SAM you’re talking about Garry?
Nice find!!!
Klinok, there’s only one frigate with Klinok and that’s Neustrashimiy. I think they replaced it by Palma for the short range and see the use of longer range SAM (as this is the only major combattant they intend to build, it should be able to defend itself a bit further out than just the last 10km).
Both Neustrashimiy and Udaloy II have the combination of Klinok (12km vl sam) and Kashtan (8km SA-n-19 on rail launcher). Newer derivatives (‘stealthified’ Udaloy III and Neustrashimiy derivative) appear to retain that combo, even if Palma (using Sosna missile) may be used in place of Kashtan.
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