What I find interesting is that Johan de Wit has davids for its assault craft! This is in addition to dock. Which suggests more assault craft and 2 size of assault craft per mothership.

Compare ship data…
here Rotterdam: http://www.scheldeshipbuilding.com/ats.htm
and here de Wit http://www.scheldeshipbuilding.com/lpd.htm

@Petros,
I don’t think the helicopters are included in the deal and as for the Phalanx CIWS the four frigates that are most likely to be in the deal don’t have The phalanx installed!

See the links below:
http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/mpoumpoulina_f463.asp
http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/kanaris_f464.asp
http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/themistoklhs_f465.asp#
http://www.hellenicnavy.gr/nikFokas_f466.asp

Cheers,
Alepou 340MB

Elli and Limnos has 2x Phalanx and 2 76mm. Remainder has 1x Phalanx and 1x 76mm. Unlikely these systems would be uninstalled, but if they are, they are easily replaced by US foreign military aid issue systems.

Not so sure about inclusive organic helicopters. In Dutch service, they operate Sea Lynx, in Greek service they operate AB 212. PN is a Lynx user, switch to AB 212 wouldn’t make much sense IMHO. Maybe neither of the two helicopters will used. Instead, Chinese Z-9 may be adopted (would give compatibility with new F22P ships)

Thats the point I made! Its not a CIWS system but with RAM it would offer a useful level of defence.

Its not a manned mount but remote control. Good for close-in work against small surface targets and overflying jets (Argy/Falkland style)

Niedersachsen, Karlsruhe and Bremen temporarily fitted with 1 30mm Goalkeeper CIWS from 1991 to 1993, all other units also had provisions for Goalkeeper.

Since the RAM system took so long to materialize, these ships spent the whole 1980s without a point defense system, but could have been fitted with the british/dutch Goalkeeper system if necessary. Only 3 ships ever carried Goalkeeper for a potential Persian Gulf deployment in 1991. RAM finally arrived in 1993, giving these ships a very good point defense system.

http://www.harpoonhq.com/encyclopedia/HTML_Files/Germany.html

Ab Frühjahr 1991 wurden aufgrund des Golfkrieges drei Einheiten (zeitweise) mit dem niederländischen Nahbereichsabwehrsystem GOALKEEPER ausgerüstet: NIEDERSACHSEN, KARLSRUHE, und BREMEN. Ab Mai 1993 Beginn der Aus- / Nachrüstung mit dem RAM-Waffensystem, das die NIEDERSACHSEN als erstes Schiff erhielt.
http://www.richardstokowski.de/fregatte.htm

I’m sorry, I can’t afford a navy no more …… :rolleyes:

Pakistan to acquire four frigates from Greece : PM

ATHENS (GREECE), May 15 (APP): Greece will provide four frigates for the Pakistan Navy, two of which will be delivered this year, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said Monday.

The two countries are looking forward to stronger ties in defence and security related matters and have agreed on the deal, Prime Minister Aziz told the media team accompanying him on his four-nation visit.

Without giving details of the deal, he said Pakistan was acquiring used frigates.

He said two frigates would be delivered this year and the other two in 2007.

The Hellenic Navy uses Elli class frigates and the same would be provided to Pakistan.

Pakistan has been acquiring defence equipment from various countries to meet its defence needs.

3 questions:
– Can anybody confirm this is a done deal? Or is it still in the negotiation fase?
– I’ve seen 2 (Elli, Limnos only, with greece keeping 8, of which 6 to be upgraded) versus 4 ships (Elli, Limnos, plus 2 ex-Dutch navy ships, with greece keeping and upgrading 6) quoted, which is it?
– what wil Pakistan be paying?

how about the new project 21630 border guard boat?? At least in the newest weyers book (on page 698) shows rather funky new 76mm mount

100mm mount on board the Buyan/Astrakhan

Bon Homme can be translated as Good Man or Pretty Man.

… in the Lampegat maybe :diablo: