WanshanAlways time for a good picture!
So that is why captains say they have more confidence in 10-year old Japanese ships than they have in a 3-year old Korean one? However, what you say is true in the way that they pay for low stuff and get low stuff. First they went to Japan, excellent ships and low on cost due to low manpower costs. Then Korea was cheaper, again quality sinking, now China is cheapest…
But again, as Wanshan mentioned, we’re talking warships. Any idea if Korea already has built warships for export before? And if so, which ones? Wanshan, you should at least know that (I’m sure of it).
AFAIK the South Koreans have exported 1 OPV (Musytari class), and 1 Multirole support ship (Sri Indera Sakti class) to Malaysia, in both cases with a second of class built in Malaysia. Also FAC/FPBs (‘Patrol Ship Killer—Missiles’/PSK-Mk5 Mandau class PGM) and Tacoma landing ship tank (Teluk Semangka class) to Indonesia. Most recently an 2300 ton DW 2000 (Ulsan class based) helicopter capable frigate and gun armed patrol boats to Bangladesh (100 million U.S. dollars, paid by Saudi Arabia). IIRC there were system integration problems with the latter, leading to the ship initially being refused by the client. The South Koreans fixed the problems and she’s now in service with BN. They’ve also exported ex-ROK navy ships to Phillippines (5-12 Sea Hawk class small patrol boats)
WanshanKorea, maybe their indigous warships are ok, but for the merchant ships they produce in great volume, those are of a low quality, maybe they fear for getting low quality stuff too.
And since we are talking warships…
WanshanWan you almost got it.
A 8. you forgot the Alezies, but yes you are right!
Well done everyone
No, I left them out (they don’t do air to air, do they?)
WanshanA8: Vampire and Sea Hawk (kills = 0?)
A10: 3, possibly 4
HMAS Albatross as completed > HMS Albatross
HMCS Warrior as commissioned > HMS Warrior
HMCS Magnificent > ex-HMS Magnificent
Possibly the french Bois Belleau (ex-USS Beleau Wood)
WanshanA2:
When nationalist Viet Minh insurgents resisted the reimposition of French rule in their homeland, Armée de l’Air units were at first forced to use abandoned Japanese aircraft, including Nakajima Ki.43 Hayabusa fighters and Aichi E13A-1 seaplanes.
These were supplemented by the German wartime types that were built in France during the occupation. The Amiot AAC.1 Toucan (Junkers Ju-52) for transport and paratrooping duties, and the Morane-Saulnier Criquet (Fieseler Fi-156 Storch) for communications, observation, forward air control, and convoy escort missions.
The British transferred 246 Squadron’s Spitfire Mk. VIIIs in 1946, when the squadron left Tan Son Nhut. These were supplemented by Spitfire LF.IXc (1st Fighter Wing consisting of GC I/7 and II/7, the Cigognes” and “Alsace” fighter groups) and Mosquito FB.VI fighter-bombers (“Corse” group) ferried in from Europe. These airplanes performed poorly in the colonial close-support role.
In 1948 and ’49, the US relented and allowed France to deploy some of its American equipment in Southeast Asia. Fifty Bell P-63C Kingcobras were despatched from Europe. Units were relocated from North Africa to Indochina, including I/5 “Vendée” and II/5 “Ile de France”, which were equipped with the Bell P-63. The II/6, better known as the famous and highly decorated “Normandie-Niemen” fighter regiment from their stint in the Soviet Union between 1942 and 1945, joined them. They were certainly needed, as they participated in counterattacks against Viet Minh guerrillas encircling French army positions in the Tonkin region.
The lifting of the ban on US warplanes also let the French Aéronavale take a more active role in the conflict. The light carrier Arromanches took up station in the gulf of Tonkin and used its SB2C Helldivers, F6F-5 Hellcats, and, eventually, F4U-7 Corsairs to good effect during the campaign. Douglas SBD-5 Dauntless dive bombers and Consolidated PB4Y-2 Privateers operated from shore bases.
The Korean War was a lucky break for France. In 1950, US authorities decided to supply France with a single squadron of B-26 Invaders (25 aircraft: GB 1/19) as an interim measure. The French would also be given priority access to all materiel not immediately required by frontline UN units. Ex-USAF C-47 transports soon replaced the inadequate Toucan.
The Aéronavale received additional Hellcats in lieu of Corsairs (though the specially built F4U-7 and some surplus AU-1s were supplied later), while the Armée de l’Air got the Grumman F8F-1 Bearcat (GC 1/22). A further five RB-26C reconnaissance airplanes and 16 B-26C bombers arrived in 1952.
A3:
RAAF ordered a total of 9 A9 – Seagull III Aircraft. These served with No 101 Fleet Co-operation Flight and operated from the seaplane carrier, “HMAS Albatross”, and the cruisers, “HMAS Canberra” and “HMAS Australia”.
Throughout 1926 and 1927, the first 6 Seagulls worked with “HMAS Albatross” and joined the photographing of the Great Barrier Beef.In January, 1927, an additional three ex-FAA Seagulls were purchased, and survey flying was extended north to New Guinea.
In January, 1929, the Australian-built seaplane carrier, “HMAS Albatross” joined the fleet, and on February 25, six Seagulls were hoisted aboard at Geelong. These aircraft were used for reconnaissance, spotting and shadowing during naval exercises.
When the “Albatross” was laid up in 1932, the remaining Seagulls were transferred to the cruisers “Canberra” and “Australia”, and were eventually superseded by the Seagull Vs in 1935.
Definitely on HMAS Albatross:
A9-4: crewed by pilot, pilot officer Gordon grant, RAAF , Observer LT Elliot, RN and Leading TAG Donald McGowan (crashed)
A9-7: Ex Royal Air Force Aircraft. Converted to components.
A9-9: Ex Royal Air Force Aircraft. Converted to components.
Other aircraft serials: A9-1, A9-2, A9-3, A9-5, A9-6, A9-8, A9-9.
WanshanGotto run to work but here’s a first salvo:
1) After finishing flight training, Bush was assigned to Torpedo Squadron (VT-51) as photographic officer. Later, he was assigned as a naval aviator in a new torpedo squadron, VT-153.
5) Due to interest from the US and Germany the Tri-partite Evaluation Squadron was formed for the Kestrel, staffed by military test pilots from Britain, the US and West Germany. After testing at RAF West Raynham, the eight surviving evaluation aircraft were transferred to the USA for evaluation by the Army, Air Force and Navy (including USMC) as the XV-6A. After Tri-Service evaluation they were passed to the USAF for further evaluation at Edwards AFB. In April 1966, the US Marines operated a Kestrel off the commando assault ship RALEIGH and were impressed with the aircraft. Later, because of LPH GUAM’s similarity to a conceptual Sea Control Ship, she was selected during the summer of 1971 for the Navy’s Interim Sea Control Ship (ISCS) project. After entering an extensive re-fit in Portsmouth Naval Shipyard on 28 October 1971, GUAM began tests and evaluation in conjunction with the ISCS Project on 18 January 1972. As the ISCS, GUAM provided inputs to preliminary design by developing tactical concepts and measuring system performance. Aircraft operated by GUAM in support of this conceptual project included SH-3H “Sea King” helicopters and the Marine Corps’ AV-8A “Harrier” Vertical Short Take-Off and Landing (VSTOL) jet. GUAM completed the ISCS evaluation and reassumed her role as an Amphibious Assault Ship on July 1, 1974. On 24 September 1974 LPH GUAM became the first Navy ship to deploy operationally with AV-8A aircraft when she left her homeport of Norfolk, Virginia for participation in the North Atlantic NATO exercise “Alien Gold” and a six-month Mediterranean deployment with MARG 2-74. In 1974, after proving that she could handle Harrier flight operations, USS Tripoli (LPH-10), an Iwo Jima class amphibious assault ship, became the first amphibious warfare ship to carry a full squadron of AV-8’s (VMA-513).
6) The first helicopter ever operated by the RAN was the Bristol Sycamore, acquired in 1953 for Helicopter Training, and Search and Rescue duties.
7) VS 881 was the first RCN Squadron to operate from HMCS BONAVENTURE in Sept. 30, 1957. (flying CS2F Trackers)
9) Three were originally planned. The project 1123 was all but successful design. It was plagued by many mechanical problems and design errors. Most famous of these shortcomings are the machinery problems that caused trouble in all soviet carriers as they all shared the same pressure fired steam turbines. Moskva suffered serious fire in 1973 and had to be rebuilt twice. Leningrad also reportedly went thru minor fire during her service time. The hull design caused even more trouble. The hull was unusual Y-shape which soviets first time tried with Type 7U destroyer prototype. It made the ships pitching in heavy seas. Also the ships trimmed by the bow, implicating that the weight balance was wrongly designed (too much weight in the bow due the complex weapon systems.) In event of these several shortcomings, soviets begun to develop a revisited design. Some sources say that special Anti-ship variant, but more accurate ones claim that the third ship, (1123.3) already named Kiev was to be more radical improved with bigger airgroup, better crew facilitates, improved seakeeping qualities and more extensive weaponry. In event this third ship evolved to the project 1143 class carriers. (see also http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=858)
Wanshan(This is for Ja.)
Q1>A1= VP-21
Q2>A2= FR-1: Wright R-1820-72W Cyclone Radial piston engine (1,425 hp) plus General Electric J31 Turbojet (1,600 lb thrust)
(XFR2R-1: General Electric XT-31-GE-2 Turboprop plus General Electric J31 Turbojet. On June 25, 1944, the first prototype XFR-1 made its maiden flight. It only had the nose piston engine installed on the first two flights that day but the success of these trials led to the installation of the General Electric I-16 jet engine a few days later. The Army asked Ryan to build a aircraft based on the XF2R-1 but with an Westinghouse J-34 turbojet engine instead of the General Electric I-16. The aircraft Ryan designed, the XF2R-2 was a major redesign of the “Darkshark” incorporating the intakes from the XFR-4)
Q3>A3= USS Lexington (CVG 12) and FJ-3Ds
Q4>A4= 288 F7U aircraft equipping 13 fleet squadrons, four test squadrons, and one reserve attack squadron, including:
VX-3
VX-4
VX-5
VA-12
VA-23
VA-34
VA-66 (VF81/VA81)
VA-83
VA-86 (VF-84)
VA-116
VA-122
VA-124
VA-126
VA-144
VA-151
VA-212
Naval Air Facility CHINA LAKE, CA
Blue Angels
Q5>A5=
McDonnell FH-1 Phantom
McDonnell-Douglas F-4 Phantom II
Aliases > “Super Demon”,”Satan”, “Mithras”
Nicknames > “Rhino”, “Double Ugly”, “DUFF”, “World’s Leading Distributor of MiG Parts”, “Flying Anvil”, “Big Iron Sled”, and “Louisville Slugger”, “Eisensau” (Iron sow), “Fliegender Ziegelstein” (Flying brick), and “Luftverteidigungsdiesel” (Air defense diesel)
(but for dinner being served I would have beaten Entropy to the punch :p )
WanshanWell you did say they should make it illegal, which somehow makes people think you don’t like it 😉 I guess you just mean you like this more than your job?
Of course … especially since it is interfering with my ‘score’ here. :diablo:
WanshanWhy mate, I love my job, don’t you? Photo/journalism focused on Military and Wildlife issues is great and the travel, wow, the places I have been!
Never said I didn’t love my work! It’s just that there’s only so many hours in a day.
WanshanGAO is an organization that has been set up by a particular institution of the political setup and basically “WORKS FOR THEM” they have made numerous false claims which were quashed by the AF and the senate/congress members concerned and even Strictures were passed on certain GAO officers for allegedly working for some vested interests of some senators..(i think it was in 97-98 i’ll have to search my archives for the full report).
The General Accounting Office was created by the Budget and Accounting Act (42 Stat. 20) in 1921. The law was aimed at improving federal financial management after World War I. Wartime spending had increased the national debt and legislators saw that they needed better information and control over expenditures. Congress passed the Budget and Accounting Act to require preparation by the President of an annual budget for the federal government and to improve accountability. The statute transferred to GAO auditing, accounting and claims functions previously carried out by the Department of the Treasury. The act made GAO independent of the executive branch and gave it a broad mandate to investigate how federal funds are spent. Later legislation clarified or expanded GAO’s powers, but the Budget and Accounting Act continues to serve as the basis for its activities.
http://www.gao.gov/about/history/introduction.htm
See also: http://www.bookrags.com/other/business/united-states-general-accounting-of-ebf-02.html
WanshanThanks Wan, we got that mate 😉 Man what’s happened to you, you used to be so quick off the mark no one could beat you, not even me! Let me guess, you have a woman in your life now right?
Work work work. (it should be made illegal)
WanshanIt is Yak-130 that has won over MiG-AT, not vice versa..
Mmm, guess IDNRC 😉 Well there goes one theory.
WanshanSAM hunter
Shrike and Standard ARM
Wanshan“Yakovlev working as consultants?” Seems like Yakovlev just present the YAK130 blueprints to the Chinese and said “Here you go, mate. Btw, just make sure you don’t named it either the L-346 or L-130. 谢谢 “.
No wonder! When I 1st saw the L-15, I told myself “That’s the BEST LOOKING Trainer to come out of China!”
Now something wicked just cross my mind – wouldn’t it be interesting IF one day, the 3 jets were to be participate in a same race to supply trainers to a ‘someone’ :diablo:
IIRC the Yak trainer lost out to a Mig trainer. So, with that in mind, it wouldn’t seem a bad idea to recoup some development costs by selling the design abroad “for further development”
WanshanWanshan, are you thinking in the way of the updated Tigr export corvette, Klub VLS and Kinzhal, but with Barak instead of Kinzhal then?
At least some navies would be happy with half a Braunschweig…
Yep. The IN has a history of mixing Russian with Israeli and other Western defence systems. For India that would make sense since Barak is already in use as is Klub-N. I don’t think we’ll see Trishul SAM and it doesn’t make sense for IN to introduce Kinzhal when they already have Barak.
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