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July 22, 2005 at 10:19 pm in reply to: Carriers #2092921

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Does any carrier still posses a naval gun? Sao Paulo perhaps having a 5′ gun?

If it carried guns these would be french 100mm’s, right?

A small but well armed flat top is the Italian Garribaldi: 3x40mm fast forty twin guns, 4 Otomat SSM, 2 octuple launchers for Aspide SAM, plus 2 reloads each (total 48 missiles), plus A/C complement of up to 16.

[edit] Come to think of it, I think she also has 2x triple torpedo tubes for lightweight ASW torpedos [edit]

July 22, 2005 at 10:15 pm in reply to: Israeli SAM's #2045073

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SAM = surface to air missile …. I think Arrow does qualify for that (even if it isn’t used to shoot at aircraft)

July 22, 2005 at 10:12 pm in reply to: Round three, here we go again #2092968

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sadly it’s not another Super Dvora

Oy! A Dvora is not another Super Dvora!

“Following on the experience gained in earlier generations of fast patrol craft designed and built by IAI-Ramta and including the Dabur, Shapirit, Dvora and Super Dvora Mk. I, classes of FPC, the Super Dvora Mk. II incorporates more than 25 years of experience gained in combat and peacetime operation in the Israel Navy and other navies around the globe.”

Dabur

Dvora

Super Dvora

Anyway, if it is not a Dvora (e.g. in Sri Lankan service), my next bet would be USN riverine craft PBR

July 22, 2005 at 12:43 am in reply to: Round three, here we go again #2093293

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Just a quicky because its past my bedtime already ….

1. Malaysian Laksamana class again (if not then Ecuadorian Esmeralda class or the helicopter capable Iraqi brethren of Laksamana)

2. Israelo Dvora FPB

3. Lybian Koni class frigate (with Styx)

4. Greek Combattante III class FAC (P20)

5. ?
6. Howaldswerke FS 1500 Frigate (ALMIRANTE PADILLA class of Colombia)

7. ?
8. ?
9. ?
10. ?

More later.

July 21, 2005 at 12:47 pm in reply to: Where was HMS Illustrious going?? #2093474

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also the apache (though I was informed by a Navy AET they are ditching the idea of the apache on ships because it would be a nightmare to maintain in sea conditions, with the salt water etc i’m not sure how true this is. Any takers?)

Why would this be any more or difficult with the Apache than with any other helicopter e.g. Chinook, Army Lynx? So, I have my doubts with that reason.

July 21, 2005 at 12:44 pm in reply to: Guess the ship: Round 2 #2093477

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Well, there go the eyebrows 😀

July 21, 2005 at 12:41 pm in reply to: British CVF thread #2093479

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I was not pointing to a link between civil servants and military cost overruns, merely that some of the money spent on the excess civil servants could perhaps be spent on the military.

What do you mean “excess civil servants”? Some big assumptions underlying that remark.

July 21, 2005 at 12:39 pm in reply to: Israeli SAM's #2045091

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Arrow anti-ballistic missile system?

July 19, 2005 at 6:34 pm in reply to: Guess the ship: Round 2 #2093871

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Rough guesses on the other images:

1. some kind of auxiliary rescue/salvage ship (note firefighting gear)
2. Asian navy landing craft (chinese? viet?)
4. Either an OPV (like spanish Serviola) or an MCMV (e.g. Oksoy).

July 19, 2005 at 6:10 pm in reply to: Guess the ship: Round 2 #2093910

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Number 3 picture is very distinctive: it combines an AN/SPS-40 2D Air Search Radar with the Mk 86 SPG-60 and SPQ-9A Fire Control Radars
Found on Charles F. Adams class (DDG 29) destroyers supplied to Germany (Lutjens class)

Lutjens is the easiest of these 5 pics :diablo:

I first suspected the last image to be an Iranian coastal patrol craft of the MIG-G-1900 or MIG-S-2600 Class (due to what appeared a twin 23mm cannon mounted up front). But it is in fact a Super Dvora Mk2

July 19, 2005 at 5:35 pm in reply to: British CVF thread #2093914

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I maintain that the cost is not actually 50% more – it would actually be more like 35% more, which is a very good deal. The problem is the anti-defence media, who love to ‘expose’ the costs of defence programs, in order to pursue an agenda. Most cost overruns on defence projects are the result of politics, not design flaws, just look at Typhoon, Brimstone, Chinook HC.3 – all designs that were sound, but damaged by political interference.

If the UK’s spending on the NHS can go up year on year, then so should defence spending – most money is not spent on actual service (doctors and healthcare in the NHS, and troops and weapons for the military), it is spent on civil servants etc…

The UK could cut 200,000 civil servants, and spend the money on defence – then the UK could actually afford to play with the big boys!

I agree on cost overruns due to politics. However, I fail to see what that has got to do with the number of civil servants. Bureaucrat bashing is besides the point here.

July 19, 2005 at 12:10 am in reply to: British CVF thread #2094234

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And you are going to pay for this how?
50% more money is alot, the two CVFs will already cost the same as 3 invincibles to run.
Then you will have to buy more aircraft, and more sailors (RN recruitment is knowhere near what it needs to be at the moment.

Uhm, I was counting 2 ships for RN and 1 derivative for the French navy, not 3 for the UK.

July 18, 2005 at 7:11 pm in reply to: British CVF thread #2094293

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Sure, but then the best possible production run for the CVF carrier would be 3 ships.

July 18, 2005 at 1:08 pm in reply to: British CVF thread #2094355

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Well, if the RN did indeed buy a third CVF and France got two rather than one of a derivative for the french navy then you’ld have a pretty decent production run (5 ships). Wonder how much that would bring down unit cost?

July 18, 2005 at 12:49 pm in reply to: Mystery Ship #2094358

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Rats, the Endeavour had crossed my mind. Just hadn’t been able to find a decent comparison pic. So close, yet …. ok, well, here we go:
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