Great pic – Caspian Flotilla on Navy Day. Dagestan and Tatarstan, and the two Boyans further down the line.
Interesting (considering it is a new build vessel) how the 2nd unit has external lateral hull strengthening beam of the type also seen on e.g. RN Type 42 and Type 21… suggesting longitudinal cracking issues … anybody want to comment on that?
Sponson addition example: Phalanx mounts on USN LPHs
Before/after pic (port rear sponson, there is another on starboard towards the bow).
Sponson addition example: Italian San Giorgio A, versu B versus San Giusto
^I know not much can be done with the 4 corner positions. Hence I asked for additional platforms/deck extensions like the Kuznetsov, which is different and CAN be made to have enough below-deck room for Kashtan/Pantsir and a VLS. Just one would suffice for 48xKlinok; the Kuznetsov has four of them with 192 cells in all.
Klinok 9m330 missile is at least 2.9m (if not 3,5m) long i.e. just too long to fit 1 deck. Sponsons – deck extensions – could possibly be used. However, for a VL sam systems there are perhaps a couple of other place: alongside the starboard side of the island and atop the island in between the masts.
However, for Klinok, you would still need a pair of radar directors. If these are like the ones found on Kuznetsov, Veliky, Neustrashimy and Udaloy (i.e. Cross Sword), then they are pretty big and I really doubt if room can be found. Now, if you had a system like e.g. Umkhonto IR or CAMM / Sea Cepter (both of similar length) … perhaps a version of the R-77 aam … you wouldn’t need those.
That there would be some sort of platform/extension on the deck sides for VL Shtil or such. Similar to the Kuznetsov as seen in the CG model below.
I suppose the four corner positions have room for Palma/Palash firing units (i.e. Kashtan is too ‘deep’ because of the missile reloading system). However, if you expect e.g. Klinok, you would need space for 1-2 tracking/guidance radar units atop the superstructure, and there isn’t room for those. Remember, Kuz at about 60k tons is 2x Mistral in terms of full load displacement. You got, basically, 1 deck level worth of height to park any weaponry and no alternative positions for sensors (i.e. need ‘integral’ systems, with fire control combined with into weapons mount: which russian systems spring to mind). That kinda limits the options…
Kashtan-M would stick out above the flight deck, and so would Palma/Palash if equipped with missiles (gun only mount would at least have the ELOP firecontrol ‘ball’ sticking out)
You might use the twin AK-630-2 mounts, but they would still need modernized MR123 or some ELOP system to get effective fire direction.
Incidents such as the near-loss of Israeli corvette INS Hanit to a Hezbollah-fired anti-ship missile during the 2006 Lebanon War have shown the vulnerability of modern warships to asymmetric threats, with Mistral-class ships considered under-equipped for self-defence in such a situation. Consequently, Mistral and Tonnerre cannot be deployed into hostile waters without sufficient escorting ships. This problem is compounded by the small number of escort ships in the French Navy: there is a five year gap between the decommissioning of the Suffren-class frigates and the commissioning of their replacements, the Horizon and FREMM frigates.
Following the experiences of French naval commanders during OpΓ©ration Baliste, the French deployment to aid European citizens in Lebanon during the 2006 war, proposals to improve the self-defence capabilities of the two Mistral-class ships were supported by one of the French chiefs of staff, and are under active consideration as of 2008.One suggestion is to upgrade the dual-launching, manual Simbad launchers to quadruple-launching, automatic Tetral launchers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_class
Problem is duely noted by the French already! Although it beats me why no 6-rouind Sandral launchers are proposed…. Realistically, any remote control launcher for Mistral (Sandral RC, Tetral, Sandral) would be improvement over Simbad.
TR1, I believe this would be a good indication as to what the ‘updated’ Gayduck will look like.
http://www.srdsc.com/fregatyi/tornado–2.html
Courtesy of the Nikoylaev Design Bureau, which also advertises the ‘older’ Gaiduk corvette design seen above.
While it’s advertised as a ‘fast frigate’ the displacement(~2500 tonnes) and propulsion system(CODAG) corresponds to what we’ve heard before.
If this is what is under construction it’ll be a formidable ship and more than a match for the Stereguschy, with 16xVLS for SAMs and 16xVLS for Klub.
ΠΠ΅Π½ΠΈΡΠ½ΡΠΉ Π°ΡΡΠΊΠΎΠΌΠΏΠ»Π΅ΠΊΡ Π±Π»ΠΈΠΆΠ½Π΅Π³ΠΎ ΡΡΠ±Π΅ΠΆΠ° (1×7-30 ΠΌΠΌ)
That’s not AK630…. might be a Goalkeeper CIWS (or chinese equivalent Type 730). In addition 76mm + 2x 20mm > combination suggests a switch to mainly western weaponry.
http://trishul-trident.blogspot.com/2012/07/russia-india-military-industrial.html
So, a third trio of Talwars is confirmed? Niiiiiice.
However, why are they going to be the same as Batch 2 ships? I would think VLS Shtil would be a no brainer option, since RuNavy ships built at the same time will use the system…http://1.bp.blogspot.com/–UzP2yjzXiQ/UAXyQjRj0pI/AAAAAAAABgo/H_0qaLDdBJI/s1600/SLEP+for+P-15+DDG.jpg
And Delhi destroyers will be modernized with VLS Shtil? Wtf?
The existence of poster material with VL Shtil on P15 carries at this time as much weight as those of same on project 956: manufacturer proposed but not navy implemented. In which case it may be entirely consistent for IN to have another 3 pr. 11356’s without VL Shtil. I suppose when the time comes to replace those SLR’s, they will be replaced by something else e.g. Barak 8?
Noteworthy: Both Project 15 DDGs (Delhi class) and five Project 1241RE guided-missile corvettes (Veer class) to be retrofitted with inclined launchers for the BrahMos, as first seen on one of the Rajput class ships. On Veer’s P-20s will give way to eight BrahMos missiles mounted on twin inclined quad launchers i.e. 4×2 configuration (keeping center of gravity low). Note that the Altai poster shows modernized Delhi but still with 4×4 Uran AShM (so, it is not THE modernization).
Good to see upgraded Tu-142ME’s will be around for some time.
Good find, looks like the Russian-sourced version of the Gayduck.
Supposedly money made its way to the ship this year, so hopefully we get details soon.
Snake @ balancer #25.05.2008 …. π
http://forums.airbase.ru/2008/05/t61838–korvet-gajduk-21.7749.html
Yep. 14 tons including 1000 rounds, each max 6.5kg > mount itself without ammo : 7,5 ton`= identical to Oto 76 without ammo. Oto normally carries 80-85 round, weighing 12.35 kg each > adding around 1 ton (988-1050 kg). This leaves room for 440 spare rounds in a secondary magazine, when compared with Bofors 57mm.
But clearly, the Oto 76 has greater deck penetration and below deck space requirements…. that may be an issue with LCS-2: there is a (covered) walkway towards the bow.
Just to illustrate how big LCS2 actually is.
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