Hands off of ACIG!!!! 😡

For reducing footprint on board a carrier, it might be more usefull to have the entire nose cone fold away.

Every ship should have a Goalkeeper! :diablo:

The point that most new ship designs involve some degree of attention to stealth is very valid. I always have to laugh when the LaFayette is made out as THE stealth ship. I would point out Sea Shadow is probably much stealthier. And indeed, Sweden’s Visby and Norway’s Skjold should not be ruled out either. However, in this thread we are comparing Type 23 and Talwar (mod Krivak III). Of those two, well, Talwar is a revamped soviet-era design. While it incorporates some stealth features it certainly isn’t a stealth ship. Nor is Type 23. But it was conceived with stealth features from the beginning (rather than a redesign of a non-stealth ship, which inherently limits the degree of stealth that can be incorporated). The Type 23 is NOT a further developed Type 22 Batch-3 which, by the way, is the only Batch of Type 22’s that has the Goalkeeper CIWS in addition to RL Sea Wolf. During the Falklands War, Sea Wolf could in some instances actually engage the bombs dropped by the Argentinian rather than the aircraft.

Also to chip in on the combined EO/RF trackers on the CIWS mount I have never heard of a system that can engage two targets one with EO and one with RF systems. Sea Wolfs tracker, like most CLOS systems, has optronic fire modes but this is for use as an adjunct to the radar. Its RF or EO but definitely not both together.

The only thing that I know does something like this is the BMP-3 ICV variant ‘Khrizentema’ with long range ATGW: the missile can ride either a radar or a laser beam to the target and the vehicle has both a radar and a laser designator. By aiming each independently the vehicle can engage 2 MBTs at the same time. Of course, the key point in this context is that laser and radar are mounted seperately, not integrated into one mount. Technically, it would be feasible to guide Sea Wolf or Barak missiles (both CLOS guidance) to 2 targets simultaneously, 1 by using radar tracker and the other by EO tracker. But I think that’s not what JonS meant.

it can intercept 2 targets at the same time provided as u mentioned they are within a certain azimuth 45 degrees maybe?

In the vertical plane only, maybe. But I’ve never heard or seen anything that would indicate Kashtan has this capability. So I’m sticking with 1 target for 1 fighting unit at any 1 time.

u do realise that croatle was temporary stop gap measure till sylver cells can be fitted in.

When is that going to be? It’s been 9 years since the first of class was commissioned. AFAIK all La Fayettes have been fitted with Crotale. Naval Technology states “The frigates may be upgraded with the vertical launch system (VLS) and Aster 15 missile from Eurosam and associated Thales Arabel fire control radar.” Doesn’t sound very definitive to me. I’ll believe it when I see it.

Its kashtan not kashtan-m btw.

Sorry, the producers beg to differ! See this

Uhm, just a quicky question in between… when we’re talking about stealth are we in addition to RCS reduction also including reduction of electronic, thermal and noise signatures? I mean, it won’t help much to reduce RCS when you are emitting or when you’re giving of heat like crazy, will it?

@Jonesy: I see what you mean w.r.t. channels … for all practical intents and purposes their number is limited operationally.