All info you need on various MIG 29 versions in this context

Max weapons load of MiG-20SMT-I is 5 tons. For MiG-29SMT-II its 5,500 kg

MiG-29SMTK is a carrierborne variant believed to have been offered to India and China in association with initial efforts to sell carrier Admiral Gorshkov. It combines MiG-29SMT features with landing gear, carrier landing system, folding wing, double-slotted flaps, arrester hook and enlarged tailplane of MiG-29K, the original maritime version which was based on the MiG-29M structure.

The Asters being active radar guided and TVC are far more capable of dealing with stealthy/small/fastmover/low targets than the SM2 methinks despite the higher raw range of the SM2. arent they also faster than SM2?

Shouldn’t the comparison Aster 15 <> ESSM, Aster-30 <> SM2?

LCF has 5 8-cell Mk 41. F-100 and F-124 have 4 8-cell Mk 41. Type 45 will have 6x 8-cell VLU, either Mk41 of Sylver or a mix. Horizon will have 6 8-cell Sylver VLU.

Terran’s point about ESSM applies to any of the Mk41 equipped ships that employ or will empoy a mix of ESSM/SM2/T-Lam, rather than Aster 15/30 plus some LACM.

Sev: navy source is fine, no problem with that, just wondered of any of this ever got published anywhere (esp. the helicopter going through the heli-deck).

BY THE WAY: should we add Norway’s Nansen class and Denmark’s large StanFlex ships to the list?

Alvaro de Bazan class

Nansen class

Zeven Provincien class

Sachsen class

From the start there has been a split between the operational requirements of UK, France and Italy and Spain, Germany and The Netherlands. The former countries formulated a requirement for a substantially larger and longer ranged vessel than the latter countries.

The Netherlands, Germany and Spain set up the Trilateral Frigate Agreement for the national construction of frigates. In addition to the LCF (De Zeven Provincien) built in The Netherlands, the F100 (Alvaro de Bazan) is being built in Spain by Izar and the F124 (Sachsen) is being built in Germany by ARGE F124 (Blohm and Voss, HDW and Thyssen Nordseewerke). The co-operation extends to the ship platform and not to the systems.

The original Horizon project was a three-nation initiative to build a new design of air defence ship including Italy, France and the UK. The UK government withdrew from the program in 1999. France and Italy signed a new Memorandum of Understanding in September 2000 confirming the joint development of the Horizon. The UK developed the Type 45.

Basic platform parameters

Length o.a. & waterline
F-100 Alvaro de Bazan: 146.70m, 133.2m
F-124 Sachsen: 143.00m, 132.15m
F-802 De Zeven Provinciën: 144.24m, 130.20m
Horizon: 150m, 141.7m
Type 45 Daring: 152.4m, 143.5m

Beam (o.a. & waterline)
F-100 Alvaro de Bazan: 18.6m
F-124 Sachsen: 17.44m, 16.68m
F-802 De Zeven Provinciën: 18.80m, 17.15m
Horizon: 20.3m, 15.6m
Type 45 Daring: 21.2m, 18m

Draft
F-100 Alvaro de Bazan: 4.84m
F-124 Sachsen: 7.0m
F-802 De Zeven Provinciën: 5.18m
Horizon: 5.1m
Type 45 Daring: 5.7m

Displacement (full load)
F-100 Alvaro de Bazan: 5,800t
F-124 Sachsen: 5,960t
F-802 De Zeven Provinciën: 6,050t
Horizon: 6,700+t
Type 45 Daring: 7,350t

Top speed (boost)
F-100 Alvaro de Bazan: 28.5 knots
F-124 Sachsen: 29 knots
F-802 De Zeven Provinciën: 30 knots
Horizon: 29 knots
Type 45 Daring: 29 knots

Range
F-100 Alvaro de Bazan: 4,500 nautical miles at 18 knots
F-124 Sachsen: 4,000 nautical miles at 18 knots
F-802 De Zeven Provinciën: 5,000 nautial miles at 18 knots
Horizon: 7,000 nautical miles at 18 knots
Type 45 Daring: 7,000 nautical miles at 18 knots

Propulsion system
F-100: CODAG (2x GE LM2500 GTU 34.8 MW + 2x Izar diesel 9 MW)
F-124:CODAG (1x GE 7 LM2500 GTU 23.5 MW, 2x MTU diesels 7.4 MW)
LCF: CODOG (2x RR Spey GTU 18.5 MW + 2x Stork-Wartsila diesel 8.4 MW)
Horizon: CODOG (2x GE LM2500 GTU 26.5 MW + 2x Pielstick diesel 8MW)
Type 45 Daring: Integrated Electric Propulsion (2x RR WR-21 21.5 MW + 2x Alstom electric induction motors 20M + 2x Wartsila diesels 2.2MW)

Crew
F-100 Alvaro de Bazan: 202 + 48
F-124 Sachsen: 230 + 13 (37+2 officers, 67+5 NCOs, 124+6 ratings)
LCF: 202 (32 officers, 47 NCOs, 123 ratings)
Horizon: 182 + 48
Type 45 Daring: 190 (20 officers, 170 ratings), 45-60 Marines (total max. 235)

Check the wake. She’s making a tight turn to starboard, that’s why she’s leaning over to port.

Looks like its in Den Helder. That’s the RNthNS Rotterdam LPD in the background.

Never heard of the Walrus.. i’m also interested in what kind of Torpedos they are armed with.. after all a weapons systems is only as good as it’s weapon right? 😉

They are an improved Dutch Zwaardvis class, of which the Taiwanese Hai Lung class is a variation.

The Zwaardvis class when built employed Honeywell Mk 37 mod2 plus the upgrades NT 37 C mod2 and NT 37 C/D/E. Later-on it also got Honeywell Mk 48 Mod 4. No SSM capability as built. 20 torpedoes carried

The modified Zwaardvis / Hai Lung class has AEG SUT, dual purpose, wire-guided, active/passive homing to 12 km (6.6 nm) at 35 kts, warhead 250 kg. These are manufactured under license in Indonesia. Provisions were made for carrying Feng 2 SSM’s but, like Walrus class, none are carried. 20 torpedoes

The Walrus class employs Honeywell Mk 48 Mod 4 and Mk 48 ADCAP. It can also fire Honeywell/Northrop (NT) 37 C/D/E (currently in reserve stock only). The class is “fitted for but not with” McDonnell Douglas Sub-Harpoon. 20 torpedoes or Sub-Harpoon. 40 mines in lieu of torpedoes.

“Zulu’s, thousends of them”

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These guys have too much time on their hands 😀