China are developing their own design as are the Indians, although the Brazilians did put a request out for RFI for a new Carrier.

Well, both the remade Varyag and Gorshkov are about to come online so to speak. They will be followed by domestic designed and built vessels. In, say, 15 years these refurbished and converted (yet in many ways principally ‘old’) ships may pay off and become available for Brazil. Remember, the current Sao Paolo (Foch) first commissioned 1960 and recommissioned into the Brazilian Navy 2000 and as the example of Viraat as well as some past CVNs shows you could run such a ship 50 years or so.

Well, UK CVF aside, we’re seeing (indigenous) carrier (replacement) programs in Inda, China and I would think -eventually – in Russia. Thus far, they have the use of a ski-jump in common. We’re seeing Naval LCA, Mikg29K, Su33, and J15being used or planned for these.

Seeing as how Brazil see no problem operating A4 Skyhawks next to the air force’s AMX International AMX, Dassault Mirage 2000 and Northrop F-5E/F Tiger II, it is by no means a given that the winner of an air force ‘next fighter’ contest also gets to be the winner of the next naval fighter contest (however much sense that would make).

One can envision that 20 years from now Vikramaditya would be paid off, replaced by a domestically designed new-built carrier, and then transferred to Brazil. Likewise for Varyag. Or Kuznetsov.

Or… going for a newer option … Brazil pays into one of the three programs to get a new ship, possibly wholly or partly built or fitted out in Brazil.

Or … we see a totally domestic development e.g. working with European partners like France, UK, Italy etc Which w/could also mean different A/C.

Nice pics killerbean!!
I can not but wonder how that extended bow is gong to hold up in rough seas???

Regards
Pioneer

The original bow + detail of the addition to (‘over’ actually) the original bow:

The current bow. To the extent that the original bow/hull remains intact underneath, hull integrity would be ensured even if the ski-jump ‘nose’ came off. Pressure on the new structure is spread lengthwise. The weight added at flightdeck level is – wholly or partly – compensated for by the weight loss due to the removal of the cruiser weaponry and sensors and the section of the superstructure forward of the bridge. [

Given flare of the original hull, the additions are actually forced firmly onto the original hull when hitting a wave. There is no reason to assume the additional steel structure is any less strong than the original hull so it too should hold together (just like it does on Kuznetsov & Varyag). Since the added ski-jump ‘nose’ is essentially hollow space (that I doubt is used for any other purposes), it gives extra buoyancy forward when going into a (really) big wave, adding to the ships ability to rise back out of the water.

Finally, a nose-to-nose or side-by-side comparison.

China are developing their own design as are the Indians, although the Brazilians did put a request out for RFI for a new Carrier.

You don’t say! But seriously, that makes those countries interesting as potential partners for Brazilian naval industry. And for those countries, it might help lower per unit cost (spread some of the development costs).

2 questions for insomniacs: How could a de-armed Krivak I end up in the DPRK? And, which ship would it likely be?

Reprise – any takers? 😀

Vikramaditya:

There do not appear to be any weapons fitted (yet). There is no sign of e.g. Kashtan in the spot forward of the large MR-700F Pobderzovik (“Flat Screen”) 3D surveillance radar, as was indicated on some early CGs. However, although I may be mistaken, there do appear something like single radar directors fitted atop the bridges, both forward (color pic) and read (2nd BW pic) bridges. Comments anyone?

I could see Barak VL being moved from Viraat to Vik upon arrival in India. What else might we see? A pair of AK 630s or 76mm naval guns perhaps?

2 questions for insomniacs: How could a de-armed Krivak I end up in the DPRK? And, which ship would it likely be?

Nice pics killerbean!!
I can not but wonder how that extended bow is gong to hold up in rough seas???

Regards
Pioneer

From viewing pics of the ship during reconstruction, I think most if not all of the original bow remains underneath.