Thought so, but the I don’t really see Ukrainian Navy buying a new submarine any time this decade, and the force level kept up via Zaparozhye would be extremely skeletal, given the age of the boat. Maybe someone will donate a boat for very friendly price…
The country has had a limited military partnership with Russia, other CIS countries and a partnership with NATO since 1994
Options:
Lease (e.g. Kilo from FRS)
Aid (e.g. small ex Nato coastal sub)
Yes. If they scrap their last submarine, in the future it will be really difficult to argue politically for submarines. It’s much easier to sell politicians “we need to modernize our submarine force” than “we need to build a submarine force from scratch”.
No, I was referring to retaining a core of trained personnel, a skill-set.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17487767
Exacty what it says in the title. Is this too little too late or should this eradicate the pirate operations in the area. Will it have consequences on the current African union ops in the country as some of the ransom monies is apparently funding al shabab operations….. I’ll hand it over to you guys….Discuss 😀
Futile:Unless there is some development and economic prospects (to earn $$ honestly), there will remain every incentive to go pirate. Same as with war on drugs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JAMtJOqnzPk
Wow, this is unexpected! The Zaparozhye, the only submarine of the Ukranian Navy, seems to be moving around under its own power, after repairs at a Russian dry dock. Now why this ancient relic is being kept is a mystery to me, but it looks much better than it did before. Not as worried for the sailors on board…
And photos:
http://balancer.ru/sites/s/1/s1.ipicture.ru/uploads/20120320/thumbs/SVxIt6TL.jpg.htm
http://balancer.ru/sites/v/m/vmsu.info/ships/zaporozhye/zaporozhye_81_st.jpg.htm
http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=270629&download=2
They probably wish to keep some core, some skeletal force, some basic skill level with an eye to the future.
Interesting, esp. because the Gepards don’t carry Kashtan but rather Palma/Palash and hence a different SAM.
Palma (NATO designation CADS-N-2), also referred-to as Palash-Palma, uses the main principles in the Kortik/Kashtan CIWS but is designed for use with SACLOS (Semi-Automatic Command to Line of Sight) missiles, such as the Russian Federation Sosna-R (9M337) and western systems such as Stinger and Mistral. Development was completed in 2003.
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it is expected to be deployed at sea operationally for the first time in a Vietnamese Gepard-class frigate
Just to ask a quick question here, as someone who has spent a little time aboard ships of many sizes and types, I cant recall many that have a prevalence of stones and sticks lying about on deck?.
Is the comment, seriously, that Sri Lankan sailors have been scuttling about ashore collecting rocks etc to sneak aboard in order constitute a handy non-lethal arsenal to pelt your poor hapless Indian fisherman with?. Have these blood soaked rocks and sticks been displayed at all?
Odd choice of weapon when its a fairly basic, and universal, tactic to turn the fire hoses on anyone close aboard who would be considered undesireable!. A few aimed blasts from naval fire hoses being the easy equivalent to a well hefted stone or stick with the dual advantages of obviating the need for the aggressor to grope around in the dirt ashore securing his arsenal and leaving very little by way of evidence on said hapless victim?.
Logic prevails 😉
I always found it remarkable that the Dutch LCF loses an entire cluster of 8 VLS because of the small Goalkeeper mount below the bridge.
THere is no goalkeeper below the bridge. It is located just forward of the APAR mast i.e. atop and behind the bridge. The 6th 8-cell vlu wasn’t fitted because the Dutch decided the LCF didn’t need Tomahawk cruise missiles and therefor 8 extra cells. Its an economy measure… space and weight reserve remains available.

http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attachment.php?item=267445&download=2
Good photo of 22350 layout.
4×7=28 cells for SAMs? I seem to recall 4×6 on early advertisement CGs for VL shtil. Launcher is fully scalable?
Links don’t work, resend?
Swopped out for different links to same pics.
Kiev class 2.
проекта 11780
http://andriuha077.narod.ru/links/mistral.img6342.jpg
http://alternathistory.org.ua/files/users/user2212/0_103b5_ba335243_XL.jpg
http://pilot.strizhi.info/photos/d/10378-1/P1000396_sm.jpg
http://pilot.strizhi.info/photos/d/10368-1/P1000371_sm.jpg
http://pilot.strizhi.info/photos/d/10364-1/P1000369_sm.jpg
While there may not be any current applications, vessels & operating concepts for refuelling diesel submarines at sea were thoroughly developed, tested, & used intensively in war by the Kriegsmarine 70 years ago, so I don’t think that’s true.
And not just by the Kriegsmarine:
Japan had what was easily the most diverse submarine fleet of any nation in the Second World War. These included manned torpedoes, midget submarines, medium-range submarines, purpose-built supply submarines (many for use by the Army), long-range fleet submarines (many of which carried an aircraft), submarines with high submerged speed, and submarines that could carry multiple bombers.
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Worse from a naval perspective, Japanese submarines were increasingly employed in running supplies to the starving garrisons of isolated islands. The Japanese expended hundreds of sorties in this way, which might have otherwise been used offensively against the Allied war effort. A submarine’s cargo capacity was much less than that of a relatively inexpensive freighter. However, Japan was understandably reluctant to let island garrisons starve. Additionally, many practically unarmed submarines (including 26 built for Army use) were built specifically for the supply role, consuming production resources as well.
http://www.combinedfleet.com/ss.htm
Some suggested the use of high speed surface vessel for sub resupply
The JHSV is adapted from Austral’s civilian high speed ferry design.
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The JSHV could be used by Australia to resupply the Collins class submarine replacement, allowing fewer, smaller, less expensive submarines to be acquired (such as the Spanish S-80 Class from Navantia).
http://blog.tomw.net.au/2010/11/high-speed-resupply-for-new-australian.html
The key role of intelligence and espionage in submarine warfare is often neglected:
All of the German ‘milch cow’ resupply submarines were lost due to communication intercepts
There are really a few different submarines called Type 209. The Portuguese navy, for example, has a Type 214 variant re-badged as U-209PN, the South Korean Type 209s have been upgraded beyond recognition, and so on.
Isn’t that what exactly what U-214 is, U-212A technologies blended with the succefull features of the 209 to form a new design that would be commercially more viable, and emulated the succes of the U-209?


Portugal
The Portuguese government awarded in 2005 a contract to Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft for two type 214 submarines, which have been delivered in 2010.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_214_submarine
Five variants of this submarine have been produced: Type 209/1100, Type 209/1200, Type 209/1300, Type 209/1400 and Type 209/1500. The U-209PN ordered by the Portuguese Navy is actually a Type 214.[10] The Dolphin class submarines built for the Israeli navy are a based on the Type 209 although heavily modified and enlarged
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_209_submarine
The class “Trident” is the version for the Portuguese navy German submarine U-214 model. Initially known as the U-209PN, this type of submarine, shares all features with the type submarine U-214, having little to do with the older series U-209. The reason for the reference to U-209PN is explained in the article about the differences between U214/212/209.
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http://www.areamilitar.net/DIRECTORIO/NAV.aspx?NN=28
Article on the history of the 209PN program:
http://translate.google.nl/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.areamilitar.net%2FDIRECTORIO%2FNAV.aspx%3FNN%3D28
In short, the German HDW offered a 209/1500/AIP initially (i.e. a mod-ded 209/1500) then during the 2nd phase of the competition switched to 214. For legal reasons or tactical reasons, the name U209PN remanded. There is not design connection.
In fact: “Faced with the situation of the German project of victory, France’s DCN, contested the results of the competition, because in their view, the new submarine, was not a U209, U214 but one, and in this case, the HDW should have been excluded because the submarine shown in the second stage, there was the same as given in the first phase. “
The South Koreans are doing to their 209s essentially what the Swedes are doing with their subs.
The Swedish Södermanland class of diesel-electric submarines consist of the HMS Södermanland and HMS Östergötland. These two submarines were originally launched as Västergötland class submarines in 1987 and 1990, and have been relaunched as a new class after extensive modernization 2003 and 2004 by Kockums AB. The pressure hull had been cut in two after the sail and a 12 m long new section with an air-independent propulsion system was inserted.Two submarines of similar modifications, known as the Archer class submarine are in service with the Republic of Singapore Navy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B6dermanland_class_submarine
On 11 April 2010 the Swedish Defence minister Sten Tolgfors announced plans of acquiring two new submarines to be commissioned in 2018-19 replacing the two submarines of the Södermanlands class. The plans also included a Mid-Life Upgrade program of two submarines of the Gotland class. Additional submarines could later be ordered to replace the Gotland class
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MOCK UP (likewise an AEW radar equipped Z8 is now on board)
This follows the pattern observed with frigates and destroyers, using mockup of aviation units for handling tests.
‘Heeee haw’ to that!
The “BPC family” comprises the BPC 140 (13,500 tonnes), the BPC 160 (16,700 tonnes) and the BPC 250 (24,542 tonnes, 214.5 metres (704 ft) long). The BPC 250 was the design from which the final Mistral-class design was derived: the reduction in length and other modifications were a price-saving exercise
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_class_amphibious_assault_ship
Mistral class amphibious assault ship
Displacement: 16,500 tonnes (empty)
21,300 tonnes (full load)
32,300 tonnes (with ballasts)
Length: 199 m (653 ft)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_class_amphibious_assault_ship
BPC250 < > Mistral
+15.5m
+3,242 tonnes
… might just accommodate your extra space for VLUs.
BPC Family graphics (@ Mer et Marine)
http://www.meretmarine.com/article.cfm?id=102713