There have been dozens of these “we MAY buy foreign systems” announcements. Most of them turned out to be empty nonsense. Don’t worry, 22350 is getting domestic turbines, and the gun has already been stated as the A-192 130mm weapon.
Russia navy doesn’t need any of this to happen to its gun mounts:
THAT never happened to 127mm oto. (ANd I’m sure Russia has had its share of problems e.g. with twin 57mm guns.
Gorshkov frigates to use foreign weapons, diesel propulsion, AC systems
http://vz.ru/news/2011/2/10/467862.html“newest Russian Frigates of project 22350 may be equipped with the French cannon Creusot-Loire Compact or Italian OTO-Melara 127/64LW, foreign diesel propulsion and AC systems is also a possibility, acording to MOD officials.”
(Where’s the logic on this!!!?)
Maybe someone is confusing arms options for export versions with armament of russian navy versions…..
i.e. ïf the customerer wants, it can be fitted with …
Maybe the best way would be to make sure there is no need for folks to turn priate: economic development.
Standard Frigate (Kortenaer/Elli) on Steroids
– 4×4 Harpoon, latest version.
– 76mm Oto front and rear (as on the Elli’s) – 120mm RPM version, with Strales/Davide
– 21-cell RAM port and starboard (where Phalanxes are on Elli but higher up to hangar roof level, akin to F122 Bremen)
– 1x 8 Cell Mk41 Self Defence with 32 ESSM immediately forward of the bridge (in place of the Mk29
– 4 MLG 27 remote controlled revolver cannon (2 near bridge, 2 underneath RAM launchers)
Replacement of Stir 2.4 with Mirador elop weapons control sensor.
Redesigned mainmast (maybe Thales I-mast variation):
WM25 dome replaced with SMART-S MK2 surveillance radar, similar to modification on ex-Heemskerck class L frigates
3x Stir 1.8 fitted to that mainmast (1 front, 1 left-rear, 1 right-rear)
SEASTAR and GATEKEEPER sensors
SEASTAR is a non-rotating active phased array radar for naval surface surveillance. The system automatically detects and tracks asymmetric threats and very small objects such as swimmers, periscopes in all weather conditions. It can also be used for helicopter guidance. GATEKEEPER is a 360° panoramic electro-optical surveillance and alerter system based on IR/TV technology, designed to counter emerging asymmetric threats down to small boats and swimmers
Improved CMS
maybe newer GTus for the power plant (2x LM2500+G4 with 2x LM500, or 2 RR MT-30 with RR4500 )
Aims:
Better situational awareness and firepower in littoral warfare scenario’s.
Improved air self defence (Improved detection/tracking, longer range ESSM, extra missile layer, longer ranged gun-CIWS with Strales/Davide)
Improved manouvrablility, accelleration and top speed, better fuel efficiency and thus range (or equal but at higher speed)

Just what kind of subsystem is used to feed the midcourse correction data to the missiles? How many channels are there? Those are the questions that interest me. It seems ludicrous to me that there is more publicly available data on the modern examples like seaviper/apar/aeagis then there is about NTU system USN doesn’t even use anymore.
It’s even in a wiki on NTU! 😉
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Threat_Upgrade
Bombardier Dash 8 Q300 maritime patrol aircraft (MPA)
http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/bombardier-maritime-patrol-aircraft-for-uae-passes-critical-milestone-22949/
Kawasaki P-1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_P-1
Does anyone know if the italian modernization of de la penne class with sm2 missiles went through?
Also, if yes, what system does it use to guide missiles towards the targets, as in midcourse corrections?
i guess any example of non aegis sm-2 system would be good here, perhaps koren kdII class, how are sm2 guided there? Dedicated radio antennas? Guided via search radar? If the latter, how is that achieved given the radar rotates, it should be some track while scan option but it doesnt seem as if many updates per minute would be possible. How many missiles could be guided during midflight phase?
The ship is also equipped with the Raytheon Standard Missile SM-2MR Tartar GMLS Mk 13 missile system for defence against medium-range airborne targets.
SENSORS
The ship’s radar suite includes: Raytheon SPS-52C E-band long-range three-dimensional air search radar; Selex MM/SPS-774 (RAN 10S) F-band air search and surface search radar; Selex MM/SPS-768 D-band air search radar; Selex (formerly Galileo Avionica) MM/SPS-702 I-band surface search radar; four Selex fire control radars for the NA 30 operating at I and J band; two Raytheon AN/SPG-51D fire control radars for the surface-to-air missiles, operating at G and I bands; and Selex MM/SPN-748 navigation radar operating at I band.
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/durand/
Semi-active radar homing missile + new threat update (NTU)/WDS mk14
The Naval Institute guide to world naval weapon systems (Norman Friedman) p121 (bottom of right hand colum)
With the UK what options have the UK for MPA?
My possible list is as follows:
Refurb S-3
Refurb P-3
Refurb Atlantiqe
CN-295
ATR-72Any other ideas and discussion.
Airbus A319 MPA
http://www.airbusmilitary.com/Surveillance/A319.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A319#A319
Boeing P-8 Poseidon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_P-8_Poseidon
Beriev Be-200 🙂
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriev_Be-200
How much did the new Fleet tanker from Italy cost the Indian Navy??
Isn’t South Korea the leader in commercial ship building and far cheaper than European shipyards?
And what have they built in the AOR area?
For South Korean navy
Cheonji class small replenishment oilers
Displacement: 9,000 tons full load
Dimensions: 130 x 17.8 x 6.5 meters (426.5 x 58 x 21 feet)
Propulsion: 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 15,600 bhp, 20 knots
Crew: ??
Aviation: aft helicopter deck
Cargo: 4,200 tons fuels, 450 tons stores
Armament: 2 dual 40 mm AA, 2 20 mm AA
Number Name Year FLT Homeport Notes
AOE 57 Cheonji 1992
AOE 58 Daocheong 1998
AOE 59 Hwacheon 1998
For New Zealand navy
Endeavour small fleet oiler
Displacement: 12,300 tons full load
Dimensions: 138.05 x 18.4 x 7.2 meters (453 x 60 x 23.5 feet)
Propulsion: 1 diesel, 1 shaft, 5,300 bhp, 14 knots
Crew: 30 + 5 transients
Aviation: aft helicopter deck and hangar for one light helo
Cargo: 7,500 tons fuel, 120 aviation fuel, 4 20 foot containers
Built in Korea.
Number Name Year Homeport Notes
A11 Endeavour 1988 Auckland
AOE-II Project
The ROKN plans to acquire uncertain number of 12,000-ton fast combat support ships (AOE) around 2017 to relieve the 9,000-ton Cheonji class ships.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Korea_Navy#AOE-II_Project
The ship IN got from Italy is more han double the displacement of S.Korea’s planned AOE-II …
The first tanker, christened INS Deepak, is being inducted under the April 2008 contract inked with M/s Fincantieri Cantieri Navali of Italy for 159.32 million Euros.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/2-new-fleet-tankers-to-boost-naval-presence
Meanwhile, the similarly sized RFA Fort George (A388) is to be decommissioned April 2011 and she may well come available on the market for second hand navy ships.
The UK armed forces are no the only one facing cutback. The Dutch armed forces are going to be slashed again as well. Dutch newspaper Telegraaf (not the best source I’ll admit) is reporting from a leaked concept-plan. The MoD has already responded that all options are kept open, but that no decisions have been made yet.
Hardest hit will be the navy and the air force. The navy will loose it’s remaining two M-class frigates. Of the four Holland-class OPVs currently under construction only two will be delivered to the navy. The other two will be put up for sale. Cutting the entire submarine service is also an option.
Scrapping the JSF plan is also considered. Instead jets would be bought from Europe (there´s a lot of gossip on the web that RAF Typhoons are in the picture). Whatever type ends up replacing the F-16, their numbers will drop significantly. The plan was to buy 85 jet, but that might be lowered to just 30 jets. If that happens Leeuwarden AFB can be closed. All jets will be stationed at Volkel AFB.
The army stands to loose two batallions.
So, what would this leave the RNthN with? 4 LCFs, a pair of Holland OPV’s , 2 LPDs? That’s a joke!
Seriously, this is only going to make sense in an international context, ie EU context, wherein one country will deliver amphib force and another ASW and another etc.
Might as well scrap the navy and be done with it..
Any potential takers for the ships layed off e.g. Type 22 batch 3’s, etc
It was an authorized…”family on sea” outing organized by the Navy.
THey sure had a fun day ….. :diablo:
The indian navy has been remarquably coy about this whole incident. I can only guess that there was a major screw up in damage control and they’d rather not face tough questions. For example:
– We know from video footage that the collision was at fairly high speed but only at a glancing angle (seems like 30 degrees, bow on midships). How did that damage the boilers?
– The collision damage does not seem critical. The fire started only several hours later when everyone had been evacuated and the ship was sailed/towed back to a berth with only 7 meters depth, so the initial flooding can’t have been too bad. There was also time to unload the magazines.
– How come once the fire started it couldn’t be controlled by the ship’s DC equipment let alone all the help around it?
Pic taken at least 20min after the collision. Everything seems under control, no fire, no huge list, at least one engine room still working.
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2 pics of INS Vindhyagiri taken after a collision with MV Nordlake.
The families on board were evacuated and tugs were being positioned to get the ship back to South Break Water.A sad day for a beautiful ship.
Families on board … !?!? Could this explain the apparently inadequate responses discussed above? What where those doing on board in the first place? What was the ship doing, having families on board?
U.K., Canada Discuss Joint Frigate Development
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=5593035&c=EUR&s=SEA
Also see here for details of the three variants (Anti-Submarine, GP and Anti-Air) of the Global Combat Ship – best to look at it after reading the news story.
http://www.baesystems.com/Businesses/SurfaceShips/PlatformsandProgrammes/GlobalCombatShip/index.htm
Interesting, also considering that Canada was a partner in development of Thales APAR, with Netherlands and Germany…
APAR makes use of Interrupted Continuous Wave Illuminations (ICWI) technology, a concept that has been developed in the international Tri-lateral Frigate Cooperation formed by the Netherlands, Germany and Canada
http://www.thalesgroup.com/Press_Releases/naval_PR_APAR_shines_again_in_live_firing_tests/
INS Vindhyagiri settled on the sea bed at the Mumbai Naval Dockyard due to flooding in some of its compartments. “The place where the ship is berthed hardly has enough water. It is just seven metres deep. The ship touched the bottom because of flooding in some compartments. She is on the sea bed. Of course, she can be recovered,” Chief Public Relations Officer (Defence) Captain M. Nambiar told The Hindu.[4]