So? What if?
What if not? (some have suggested it is coming from the crane behind)
She’s still afloat ….
Aviso is usually translated into English as sloop – a word we got from Dutch. 😉
Sloep dus
1100 t tonnes (1250 tonnes full load), similar to Saar5, smaller than Kk130
an interesting article.
You’ve shrunk our battleships
DEFENCE bosses have drawn up shock plans to shrink the Royal Navy’s battleship fleet by HALF, The Sun can reveal.
In a cuts blueprint seen by us, the fleet will be slashed to just 12 frigates and destroyers.It will make our surface armada, once feared the world over, smaller than that of every other major European nation except Portugal.
And 7,500 sailors will be laid off, more than a fifth of the Senior Service’s manpower of 35
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BALONY!
French Navy Currently (2010) major ships in service are:
1 aircraft carrier (Charles de Gaulle)
2 amphibious assault ships of the Mistral type
2 Landing Platform Dock of the Foudre type
13 frigates FFGs (destroyers)
4 ballistic missile submarines
6 nuclear attack submarines
5 Light frigates FFLs
6 Small Surveillance frigates
9 corvettes (classified as “aviso”)
2 Horizon Forbin + 2 F70 AAW Cassard + 2 F67 Tourville + 7 F70 ASW Forbin
+ 5 LaFayette + 6 Floreal
Spanish navy
Projection Group located at Rota
1 Aircraft Carrier L-61 Juan Carlos 1 class
1 Aircraft Carrier R-11 Principe de Asturias class
2 LPD L-50 Galicia class
1 LST L-42 Pizarro, Newport class
1 Fleet oiler A-11 Marques de la Ensenada class
1 Replenishment ship A-14 Patiño class (located at Ferrol)
41st Escort Squadron located at Rota
6 Frigates F-80 Santa MarÃa class
31st Escort Squadron located at Ferrol
5 Frigates F-100 Alvaro de Bazán class < 1 more coming
Submarine flotilla located at Cartagena.
4 Submarines S-70 Galerna class
MCM flotilla located at Cartagena
1 MCM support ship M-10 Descubierta Modified class
6 Minehunters M-30 Segura class
6+5=11!plus 4 BAM corvettes projected
German navy15 Frigates
8x 122 (Bremen class)
4x 123 (Brandenburg class)
3x 124 (Sachsen class)
Corvettes 2x 130 (Braunschweig class) <3 more planned
ItalyDestroyers (4)
-Orizzonte (2)
-Durand de la Penne (2)
Frigates (8)
-Maestrale class
Light Patrol Frigates (4)
-Artigliere class
Corvettes (8)
– 8x Minerva class
12+4>16
What is the reason? Technical problems or lack of funds??????
Trinidad and Tobago looks to terminate OPV programme
By Guy Anderson
22 September 2010The Republic of Trinidad and Tobago has given notice that it wishes to formally terminate the GBP150 million (USD234 million) contract with BAE Systems to deliver three offshore patrol vessels (OPVs), leaving the UK group with the prospect of selling the nearly completed vessels on the world market.
BAE Systems confirmed the requested cancellation in a statement on 21 September, although it stressed that it will “seek to engage in commercial discussions” with the Caribbean nation to find an “equitable settlement”. A spokesman for the shipbuilder said it remains hopeful that the contract can be salvaged.
The programme – which has previously suffered both cost and time overruns – was entered into by a former Trinidad and Tobago government and the UK’s VT Group in April 2007. Ownership of the programme passed first to BVT Surface Fleet (a joint venture shipbuilding company created in mid-2008 by BAE Systems and VT Group) and subsequently to BAE Systems Surface Ships when BAE Systems acquired sole ownership of the venture in September 2009. When it pulled out, VT Group provided GBP43 million of capital to BAE Systems to compensate for cost overruns and delays in the programme.
The first of the three OPVs, Port of Spain, is currently going through final work before acceptance by the Trinidad and Tobago Coast Guard; the second, Scarborough, has completed sea trials with what was previously viewed as an October 2010 delivery date and work continues on the third, San Fernando, with a view to sea trials in November. BAE Systems stressed on 21 September that all work relating to the programme is continuing.
http://www.janes.com/news/defence/jdw/jdw100922_1_n.shtml
> No reason stated
BAE Systems Gets Notice Of Cancellation For Trinidad, Tobago OPV Job
Bae Systems (LSE:BA.)
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BAE Systems PLC (BA.LN), said Tuesday that it has received written notice from the Government of Trinidad and Tobago or GORTT that it wishes to cancel the program under which Bae Systems is providing three Offshore Patrol Vessels and support to the Trinidad and Tobago Coast Guard.MAIN FACTS:
-The financial consequences of any termination cannot be definitively assessed at this time, the Group estimates a further charge of up to GBP150 million, before tax, may be required in the Group’s accounts for 2010, before recognizing value from the potential re-sale of the vessels.
-The company will seek to engage in commercial discussions with GORTT to find an equitable settlement.
-The contract was entered into in April 2007 by the previous Trinidad and Tobago government and VT Shipbuilding International Ltd; BAE Systems acquired full control of VT Shipbuilding International Ltd in October 2009.
-The program has suffered from delays, prior to the receipt of the notice, the parties had been engaged in the final stages of acceptance of the first ship.
-The second ship has completed its sea trials and will be ready for delivery in October.
-The third ship is due to begin sea trials in November.
–Cost overruns on the program resulted in cash adjustment to the acquisition consideration and further provisions were charged to the acquisition accounts for that transaction.
-Shares at 1445 GMT up 2.4 pence, or 0.72%, at GBP336 pence, valuing the company at GBP11.45 billion.-By Razak Musah Baba, Dow Jones Newswires; 44-20-7842-9275; [email]razak.baba@dowjones.com[/email]
Cost overruns?
ANd the sun will rise tomorrow (< statement of equal predictive power)
Here we go again . . . .
As you’ve been told, BAe can’t offer a ship it doesn’t own. Also, BAe does not know yet what the decision on CVF will be. Even the cabinet won’t know until next month. Obviously, no offer can be made by anyone, whether BAe or government, before then.
The BAe press office seeks out journalists who it thinks are influential in target markets. India is a target market, with or without CVF*. The cost of a single journalists visit is a small expense.
*Consultancy on IAC2 or other warships, selling designs . . .
I suggest you review the story of the imaginary Kitty Hawk offer again, & stop adding 2 & 2 & getting 397.
1 second that. 😉
Well, if you could fire a Klub missile from 100 km let’s say, or at the max range of the 650mm which is even smaller, you reduce the reaction time of the escorts and you could have the missile go faster as it won’t need so much fuel + the supersonic dart covers the last 20 or 40 km. I think this is much more effective than the 650mm torpedo launched at the edge of the envelope and the carrier has less reaction time (running away, escorts launching 324mm torps), nor the ability to sacrifice a frigate or two in order to stop the torpedo if all else fails (the Klub will likely be able to differentiate the carrier from the other ships easily).
Also, the Yasen is even larger than the 971, you probably won’t use such a sub to deliver swimmers and risk it close to the shore. It is more or less a golden fish right now.
1) Klub-S can be fired from normal 533mm topedo tubes, so why bother with 650mm.
2) Perhaps a big sub shouldn’t be used to deliver swimmers to shore but 650mm tubes allow the use of large tubelaunched swimmer delivery vehicles, allowing the sub to stand-off much farther than a normal sub (though perhaps not as far a an USN Los Angelos class attack sub with Advanced Seal Delivery vehicle on its back … that SSN not exactly being small).
3) Not all underwater vehicles are necessarily (or even primarily) for swimmer delivery. Think ‘unmanned undersea vehicle” or even ‘autonomous undersea vehicle’
Example: the USN AN/BLQ-11, formerly the Long-Term Mine Reconnaissance System (LMRS), a torpedo tube-launched and tube-recovered underwater search and survey unmanned undersea vehicle (UUV) capable of performing autonomous minefield reconnaissance as much as 200 kilometers (120 miles) in advance of a host Los Angeles-, Seawolf-, or Virginia-class submarine. LMRS is equipped with both forward-looking sonar and side-scan synthetic aperture sonar. Boeing concluded the detailed design phase of the development project on 31 August 1999. In January 2006, USS Scranton (SSN-756) successfully demonstrated homing and docking of an LMRS UUV system during at-sea testing.
Not to mention advantages for launching undersea vehicles, swimmer delivery etc.
Wondering if all this effort/money wouldn’t be better spent on, say, reducing poverty, improving health care, education etc….
For the past year, a persistent rumor has been floating around suggesting that the PLAN is building a new 8000 tons class of DDG. Those two photos taken by HSH in Shanghai last week confirmed that a new large warship is indeed under-construction. However, it is unclear if that is the rumored Type052D DDG or just a follow-on to the Type052C.
Beijing To Build Large Destroyers
Beijing plans to build a new generation of large destroyers as part of its effort to develop a blue-water navy, a report from an official ship-building institute shows.
The new generation of destroyers is important to China’s long-term goal of building and operating aircraft carriers.
The destroyers will displace more than 10,000 tonnes, according to the report by the China Shipbuilding Information Centre–an institute under the China Shipbulding Industry Corporation, the largest state-owned shipbuilder in China. In addition to commercial ships, China’s stateowned shipbuilders also build warships.
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Hard to tell yet what it is but if >10k tons, then it could also be 15k tons Fuxianhu class vessel or something along those lines, not necessarily a destroyer.
US to test capability against ASBM?
http://alert5.com/2010/09/16/minuteman-iii-test-anti-asbm-test/#more-3054
Tracking the missile and simulating engagement?
“Taking part in the exercise is the George Washington CSG including USS McCampbell, USS Chung-Hoon, and guided missile cruisers USS Shiloh and USS Cowpens. USS Shiloh is certified BMD-capable and USS Cowpens should be refitted with TBMD engagement capability by now.”
BMD and TBMD < these ships are to train their roles as part of forward BMD. And you don’t train that overland, I suppose (just in case you fail to intercept the training target). Seriously don’t this has any bearing on ASBM.
Type 039B, Improved Yuan Class Diesel Electric Submarine??
The Chinese BBS/forums are buzzing with the latest submarine launch — it could be the first of a new class.
Here is Hui Tong’s update.
http://cnair.top81.cn/han_xia_kilo_song.htm#YuanThe latest news indicated the first boat of a further improved design (Type 039B?) was just launched at Wuhan Shipyard on September 9, 2010. This improved design has been speculated to feature a new sonar system, a new surveillance system (periscope, radar etc.), and a new weapon system (possibly vertically launched long-range AshM from its extended sail?).
Considering where there are people in/on the sail, and the remaining space – which has to be shared with masts/periscopes, I’m sceptical about the idea of a vertically launched long-range AshM from the extended sail. However, that doesn’t rule out a hullmounted VLU e.g. for Club)
This one?
Yup, specifically the sequence from 5.05 through 5.55 min.
It’s not Vyuga, it has Vodopad in those torp tubes. There’s a video showing the launch.
Ah yes, sorry 😉 Still, RPK-6 is also an ASW missile and IIRC with longer range.