You didn’t get the connection? Erieye in standard platforms only has a few operators and is dependant on ground control, so Pakistan chose a bigger platform(Saab-2000) for greater capability. I proposed the same thing for the Hawkeye.

duh! WHY DID YOU THINK i POSTED ABOUT ERIEYE IN THE FIRST PLACE? (YES, BECAUSE OF THE VARIABLE NUMBER OF OPERATORS, RELATED TO THE AIRFRAME ADOPTED AND THE USE OF GROUND CONTROL) wHAT DOES 360 DEGREE COVERAGE HAVE TO DO WITH THAT?

I know about the Erieye, but it’s not operated by any navies and I doubt it’s as fine-tuned for maritime scanning as the Hawkeye is.

I figure overland ops are more demanding than overwater ops. Anyway, Erieye comes with a maritime surveillance mode.

Saab is providing a “third-generation” version of the radar, says Soderstrom. “We have six customers and none has exactly the same radar.” In particular, its sea surveillance capability is better. Saab says that at 25,000 ft., it can track jet skis to the horizon. Altitude resolution is also improved. Four aircraft can sustain two patrol stations around the clock for 30 days.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1611823

I have heard that IDAF was outnumbered 2 to 1 in Bekaa valley, facing the latest MiG-23MLDs and Mig-29s yet managed to score a 85 to zip kill/loss ratio ? is this true

I tried to research but found no substantiation for these claims, yes the IDAF score 85 forno loss, but I didnt find that they were so outnumbered or faced such latests types

any thoughts

Really, did you google anything at all?

Reports of what happened next vary. It is generally accepted that in the course of the first attack against the Bekaa an 9 June 1982, the IAF destroyed 17 of the 19 Syrian SAM batteries and their radar sites, as well as 29 Syrian Air Force (SAF) fighters, without loss.15 The following day, the IAF destroyed the remaining two missile batteries. The SAF once more challenged the Israelis and lost approximately 35 more aircraft, again without downing an Israeli aircraft. By the end of July, Syria had lost at least 87 aircraft, while Israeli losses amounted to a few helicopters, one RF-4E, and an A-4 Skyhawk downed by a PLO SA-7.16

16 =
Trevor N. Dupuy and Paul Martell, Flawed Victory: The Arab-Israeli Conflict and the 1982 War in Lebanon (Fairfax, Va.: Hero Books, 1986), p 145;
Lt Col David Eshel, IDF, Retired, The Lebanon War, 1982 2d ed. (Hod Hasharon, Israel: Eshel-Dramit, Ltd., 1983), p 47

The lopsided results of the battle stem from a number of factors. The most visible in any air engagement are the quality and capabilities of the weapon systems employed, especially aircraft and air-to-air armament. The IAF had a definite qualitative advantage in both. The primary Syrian fighter during the Lebanon War was the relatively obsolescent MiG-21, with considerable numbers of export model MiG-23s and Su-20s also deployed.23 The Israelis, on the other hand, were flying new-generation McDonnell Douglas F-15s and General Dynamics F-16s, as well as older but still effective McDonnell Douglas F-4s and Israeli Aircraft Industries Kfirs.24

23. Lt Col David Eshel, IDF, and Brig Gen Stanley M. Ulanoff, USAR, The Fighting Israeli Air Force (New York: Arco Publishing, 1985), p 137.
24. Ibid., p 137-38.

Other factors make the Bekaa Valley battle unique in the history of air power and limit its relevance. In addition to their qualitative advantage, the Israelis enjoyed numerical preponderance over the Bekaa Valley, outnumbering the Syrian Air Force by a ratio of about three aircraft to two.72

72. Lambeth, Benjamin S. Lambeth, Moscow’s Lessons from the 1982 Lebanon Air War (Santa Monica, Calif.: Rand Corporation, September 1984), p 8.

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj89/win89/hurley.html
First hit googling: “bekaa valley”+”air battle”+1982

“Losing the battle on the ground, the Syrians launched Mig 21 and Mig 23 aircraft to intercept and repel Israeli aircraft
(23:55).”

http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA192545
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA192545&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf (p.11)

The MiG-23MF, MiG-23MS and MiG-23BN were employed by Syria in 1982 during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, it is said that around twenty six MiG-23s were shot down by the Israeli armed forces, the Syrians claimed their MiG-23MS and MiG-23MFs shot down at least two F-4s and five F-16s. In June 1982 the Syrian air force lost six MiG-23MF, four MiG-23MS and sixteen MiG-23BNs. However later that year, in December 1982, the Syrians recieved more capable and advanced MiG-23MLs. The Syrians claimed that their MiG-23MLs on 4 October 1983 shot down three F-15s and one F-4 without sustaining a single MiG-23ML loss.

http://backfiretu-22m.tripod.com/id11.html
Third hit googling: “syrian air force”+”mig 23”

The [Syrian Arab] Air Force, which was independent of Army Command, consisted of about 100,000 regular and 37,500 reserve officers and men. In 1985 its 9 fighter-ground attack squadrons and an estimated 15 interceptor squadrons totaled approximately 650 combat aircraft. Almost all combat planes were Soviet manufactured and included 50 MiG-25 and MiG-25R (Foxbat) interceptors and nearly 200 MiG-23S/U (Flogger) and Su-17 FitterK ground-attack and multirole aircraft. In 1986 there were reports that the Soviet Union had agreed to provide Syria at least two squadrons of the advanced supersonic MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter aircraft equipped with top-of-the-line avionics.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/syria/airforce.htm
Second hit googling: syria+”mig 29″

Syria is believed to have obtained at least 18 MiG-29s and two MiG-29UBs beginning in 1987. Some sources indicate they received several times that number.

http://www.vectorsite.net/avmig29.html
first hit googling: “mig 29″+export

salutations,

how does the Shivalik class compare to the Talwar class, first in terms of the types of roles they are to do in the fleet, and their capabilities.

Better ASW:
additional VLU cells, e.g. for 90R missiles
2 rather than 1 helicopter
2 rather than 1 RBU 6000 launcher
different sonar fit

Possibly some qualitative improvement in close in AAW
– 76mm oto melare versus 100mm AK-100
– Barak + 2 AK630 versus 2 Kashtan (better missile, but fewer rounds?)

Possibly some qualitative improvement in AShW
Brahmos capability versus Klub only

would Greece have the money to buy and would the Germans sell to Greece the unpopularity of the Greek bailout would indicate if the F122 more likely go somewhere else, Would Poland be interested in increasing its fleet

The Gawron Class (Rook Class) or Projekt 621 is a class of multipurpose corvettes ordered by Polish Navy. Gawron Class is a variant of MEKO A-100 project developed by Blohm + Voss Shipyard in Germany. Construction of first ship of the class started in 2001.
There were plans to build 7 Gawron Class frigates, but as of 2009, work has only begun on one ship, which is to be named ORP Ślązak (Silesian). The program suffered delays due to insufficient funding from the government and delays in chosing final weapons’ and systems’ configuration. On the 16th of September 2009 the hull was launched, but the program was suspended due to financial crisis[1]. The second corvette was to be named ORP Kujawiak (names of others planned to be built: ORP Krakowiak, ORP Mazur, ORP Kurp, ORP Goral (Podhalanin). Work has now resumed and the first ship should be launched by 2015 [2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gawron-class_corvettes

I doubt Poland has the funds for both Garwon class as well as additional other ships. But F122s instead of additional Gawrons might be an option. As would additional FFG7 frigates when they become US-surplus.

Greece could show some interest in the Gepards since it allready has a few S148s and in the same time, it could even show some interest in the Bremens since the Kartenaers that she has are very similar. Depends of course on the status of the ships and any updates that may have taken place…

German surplus equipment finds its way to NATO allies who’s military need a boost. In this case, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and possibly Poland would be likely takers of S148s and MCMVs.

As for the Bremens, their commonality with Kortenaer/Elli is limited: F122 class has a different weapons and sensor fit, and also an entirely different powerplant. Then again, the powerplant of Bremen is similar to that of the Hydra class (Meko 200HN), so that shouldn’t be too much of a problem for the Hellenic navy.

The tailhook is controlled separately from the landing gear, so it is certain that the Su-33 has it lowered (where is it obscured from view by the engine & tailplane), while the J-15 has it stowed in flight position.

That difference in the pics is irrelevant.

Oh please. DO NOTE THE SMILEY.

(Folks, you’re getting way to serious)