Interesting… in the pics Stonewall linked to it appears they have yet to fit a rudder or propellor shafts… the rudder spot is empty, and there are no supports for the shafts.
It seems quite a bit more work is needed… :rolleyes:
If you are referring to the 1st pic below, I think you are actually looking at the rudders. For comparison, I’m posting a pic of Gorshkov and 2 of Vikramaditya in dry dock, which shows the general arrangement of rudders and screws on the Kievs, which is very similar to that used on Kuznetsov and Varyag.
http://www.brahmos.com/content.php?id=15 (discussion of trial launch platforms at the bottom: INS Rajput with inclined deck launcher and INS Ranvir with Universal VLS. Both are patterned on the soviet-era Kashin class destroyer.
Well she appears to be more ballested down and is no longer sitting nose high, which was clear in earlier pictures.
There is two things I am far more clear on now; firstly Varyag was in a far better material state then we realised when she was purchased from the Ukraine and secondly China is prepared to pay big bucks to bring it up to a useable status.
On a pic I saw on CDF, she now actually appears a little bow heavy …
From 2005 to 2009, the São Paulo underwent an extensive modernization program.[8] The upgrade included: inspection and repair of the steam turbines; maintenance of the surface condensers; retubing of boilers; repair of two high-pressure compressors; revision of the alternating current electrical generator and purchase of spare parts; maintenance of pumps, valves and structural items; purchase of two API oil-water separators; installation of two water cooling units; upgrade of the chemical oxygen generator; repair and treatment of oil tanks; substitution of the Naval Tactical Data System; installation of a closed-circuit television system; installation of IFF transponder; installation of MAGE system (ESM); flight deck inspection, repair and painting; upgrade of the Optical Landing System processing unit; revision of the aircraft catapults.[9] The upgrade was complete in July 2009, and the São Paulo is due to be fully operational by March 2010.[10]
Twelve Brazilian Navy A-4 Skyhawk will be upgraded by Embraer at a cost of $140 million.[11] The upgrade will be similar to the ones done for the AMX and F-5EM aircraft of the Brazilian Air Force. The program includes restoring the aircraft and their current systems, as well as implementing new avionics, radar, power production, and autonomous oxygen generating systems. Possible weapons to be included in the upgrade are Python 4 and Derby AAMS.
The Brazilian Navy has contracted Marsh Aviation to convert three S-2T Turbo Trackers to AEW configuration, and three more for tanking duties.[12] The engine type and radar have not been specified, but the program is moving forward.
The São Paulo’s SH-3 fleet is to be replaced by six ex-USN S-70B Seahawk helicopters. They were purchased in 2008, and are currently being upgraded and refurbished for delivery. The helicopters and a package of engines and support equipment are expected to be delivered in 2009.[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_aircraft_carrier_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_(A12)#Upgrade_.282005-2009.29
@Anixtu: thx! will jump in tomorrow (must get some shut eye first)
Hey, how come no one has ventured to post another round of ships to guess!?!? :rolleyes:
Be interesting to see what comes of the trip of PN chief to US Navy.
More OHPs probably.
Russia started a preliminary development of a new destroyer. This will take about 2.5 years. The new destroyer will have stealth features, it will be multipurpose, will have missiles in vertical launch system for engaging land, sea and underwater targets, and will be armed with air defense missiles for short, medium and long ranges. It will have hangars for two ASW helicopters, universal guns etc.
I’m not saying they are not working on a new class of ships. I’m saying that the ship pictured earlier is not it. Savez?
a pic gallery that simply has to be SEEN!!!!!
Nice find, lots of nice Gorshki pics!
Not by yard, by design bureau:)
Correct, but same difference 😉
Anyway, Udaloy and Sovremenny use Shtil SAM systems. Not “weak” but short.
Udaloy used klinok, not Shtil
Harpoon is treated with a 1/2 ratio to a Klub or especially a Yakhont type missile. 😉
And what is “not a navy project” supposed to mean?
This ship was announced in Summer 2009.
Not a navy project but an export proposal by the yard, based on an existing design (just like the Talwar class).
Hard to tell, this ship will replace the Udaloy and Sovremenny classes into one platform.
Whether a new nuclear or conventional cruiser will be developed remains to be seen. I would wage that both the Slavas and Kirovs have another 20 years left in them.
Weapons wise, this thing will dwarf any other destroyer out there.
Just like Yasen will be a hell of an attack sub.
Not really. IF (big if, since it’s not a navy project) ever built, it would likely mix 5×8 (40) long range sam with 1 x 32 medium range SAM, which is similar to contemporary westen large frigates and destroyers. 2×8 SSM isn’t shocking (compare SK Arleigh Burke variant). Carriage of Skval makes no sense on this ship and is likely BS.
But much less capable then the DDL’s were projected to be.
For Starters.
5″ –> 3″
2 x Phalanx –> 1 x Phalanx
~5,000t –> ~4,000t
2 shafts –> 1 shaft
Gun capability 5″ v 3″ > one is better for shore bombardment, the other better for AAA
why a new thread, what’s wrong with the old one?