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  • in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2006833
    Wanshan
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    32 year old frigate will be given a 65 million dollar refurbishment including anti-submarine capability paid for with foreign military aid provided by the U.S to friendly countries[4][5]

    4: http://www.stripes.com/m/article.asp?section=104&article=64056
    5: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Pakistan/Pakistan_to_get_refurbished_warship_from_US/rssarticleshow/3615200.cms

    So, since August 2009 refurb cost went up from 65 to 78 million dollar, and increase of 13 million dollar. Wonder what that 20% extra covers …

    Interesting overview of the class: http://www.destroyerhistory.org/coldwar/oliverhazardperryclass.html

    Below: McInerney in current state. Check out the location of the Mk13: I dont thinkg the entire launcher was removed, just the launcher arm (and the rest sealed). My bet is that is can (and will) be reinstated.

    in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2006859
    Wanshan
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    Well refurb and support package is $78 million, not sure what that can buy you to add to a frigate…

    A set of spare parts and training, mostly. But the USN removed the Mk13 launcher arm and STIR from it’s OHP as an economy measure, effectively leaving them without SM1 and Harpoon launch capability and severely limited SM1 guidance capability (the WM-25 could do some target illumination but only at short range IIRC). Can’t imagine bolting this stuf back on would cost a great deal. Besides, I seem to remember the original cost quote was $60 million, which suggest some added items.

    in reply to: The not quite naval stand off with Argentina #2006915
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    Haven’t they got AIM-9M now? We had AIM-9L in 1982, & they had R.530 & older models of Sidewinder, IIRC.

    M! On A-4AR Fightinghawk

    in reply to: Guess the Ship, it's back #2006923
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    Olfert Fischer, Niels Juel class.

    Thought various corvettes but hadn’t thought about that one yet! Darn! Nicely spotted! 😮

    Spionkop had me puzzled for a while, came across a good rear shot while looking for that darned corvette of no. 3!

    Who’s next?

    in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2006926
    Wanshan
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    Good question. I have no idea unfortunately! :confused:

    It’s the $64 million question (the rest is support) 😀

    in reply to: Guess the Ship, it's back #2007015
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    Have the hangar doors on Poolster/Moawin changed in Pakistani service? I found it difficult to find a photo online with a decent view from astern but it looks like a vertically opening door is fitted now.

    It already received the vertical door while in Dutch service, probably early 1980s during ‘groot onderhoud’ (major refit) or early 1990s. Pics of then-Poolster here (with vertical door in 1993/4): http://www.navyinside.nl/ps.html

    in reply to: Pakistan Navy #2007071
    Wanshan
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    Will the refurb cover reinstallation of the Mk13 arm and STIR?

    in reply to: Guess the Ship, it's back #2007075
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    UK Type 23 (Cochrane, ex Hms Norfolk?)
    BRD Type 143A Gepard class
    … ?
    D’Estienne d’Orves class A-69 type Aviso (given pennant no.: in Turkish service?)
    Meko A-200 (SAN Valor class) ?

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world -II #2007276
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    Very interesting, 500 million € for 4 big OPV; At 125 million € each, this design is relatively “cheap”…versus 650 millions $ apiece (+/- 500 million €) for the US LCS :dev2:

    You should consider that they are about the same size as the M-frigates of the Doorman class. And well equipped for an OPV (check out that Thales i-mast). These are navy operated, not coast guard.

    in reply to: The Groshkov Saga- The Final stretch. #2007289
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    Does anyone else think this ship has a really long range? must have some size of fuel tanks.

    8000 miles (@18 knots) according to this russian site

    Running speed, the units:
    economic ……………………………………………………………………….. 14,2
    the combat economic of………………………………………………………. 18,3
    complete ……………………………………………………………………….. 30,7
    maximum ……………………………………………………………………….. 32,5
    Cruising range, miles (with speed, UZ) ………………………………… 8000 (18)

    according to this site

    8000 miles = 12 875 kilometer

    This is much more like the endurance of the ex-French Clemenceau class carrier Foch, currently in Brazilian service as NAe São Paulo. Range: 7,500 nmi (13,900 km) at 18 kn

    Given that 13 500 kilometer = 8 389 miles, do you suppose they flipped their conversion

    in reply to: Guess the Ship, it's back #2007293
    Wanshan
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    Anyone mind if I set a few?

    By all means, please do! (this is becoming a tradition :))

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world -II #2007482
    Wanshan
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    i’m not sure if this video proof your thesis because a s-band radar is not able to do illumination for essm. if they swap sea-master for an “mini-apar” they will lose their s-band volume search radar. i think it’s unlikely that the i-mast 400 can handle an additional fixed array x-band fire control radar. it would be interessting to get more information about the different i-mast solutions (50, 100, 400 and 500). afaik there is a option for the i-mast 100 to swap the sat-com with an trainable e/o and radar fire control system. i think i’ve seen it in another i-mast video.

    In the vid, doesn’t it say “air surveillance and/or fire control radar” in reference to the lower antennea slots? This suggest the possibiliy of a radar which can do both functions. Nowhere does it say that this radar is or needs to be S-band.

    IIRC, the 80km range X-band Thales APAR (active phased array radar) multi-function radar provides air and surface search and weapon fire control. The radar provides the following capabilities:
    – air target tracking of over 200 targets out to 150 km
    – surface target tracking of over 150 targets out to 32 km
    – horizon search out to 75 km
    – “limited” volume search out to 150 km (in order to back up the volume search capabilities of the SMART-L)
    – cued search (a mode in which the search is cued using data originating from another sensor)
    – surface gunfire support
    – missile guidance using the Interrupted Continuous Wave Illumination (ICWI) technique, thus allowing guidance of 32 semi-active radar homing missiles in flight simultaneously, including 16 in the terminal guidance phase
    – “innovative” Electronic Counter-Countermeasures (ECCM)

    I don’t see why a smaller variant eg. Raytheon/Thales Scaled ESSM APAR (SEAPAR, which I’ve seen indicated by some as I/J-band and X-band by others, or as both, rather than S [or E/F]-band) couldn’t do both functions as well.

    in reply to: Guess the Ship, it's back #2007491
    Wanshan
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    Hr.Ms. Poolster aka PNS Moawin

    Bingo. How did you tell this one and the previous two?

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world -II #2007533
    Wanshan
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    sure? from my understanding the integrated mast module consists of an sea master 400 (s-band air and surface surveillance) and an sea watcher 100 (x-band surface surveillance). afaik no radar for fire control/illumination.

    I formulated that improperly: the radar as fitted on Dutch ships may not be a firecontrol/illumination radar, but this would be a relatively simple swap. The integrated mast and associated equipment will support a mini-APAR without much further work.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sMgEsHC1Lc (see text 42+ sec into the promo-vid)

    in reply to: Navies news from around the world -II #2007535
    Wanshan
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    I’m not even sure this turret is still produced… 🙁

    In china, maybe 😉

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