No 2 is Royal Netherlands Navy Hr.Ms. Pelikaan

That one had crossed my mind, but I had not yet checked it….. DOH!
Sorry I missed out on the next lot (guess you guess got in quicker this time 😉

1. Mistral/Tonnere lhd
2. JMSDF Hyuga (ddh16)
3. USN Arleigh Burke class DDG (or SK clone)
4. F123 Brandenburg class frigate building (or else the similar, later F124 Sachsen class)
5. Meko 360, too pretty for Aradu, thus ARA.

Indeed but it would be an easy installation process for what is a fairly small box launcher and its better then nothing. Finally its effectively free with only the cost of bolting it all on.

I thought it was a six round launcher?

I don’t think Pakistan will get a vessel with a half decent anti air capability until they get the Milgem or the enlarged P-22 variant.

Yeah, you’re right, it’s 6 round.

Hi Wanshan

you are right, I got info about that:

so it seems Pakistan will have one of the most expensive OPVs in the world :confused:

The cost quoted for McInerney is the cost of hot transfer. It doesn’t include ordnance/munitions afaik. And there too, FMA might play a big role. US made sure e.g. Taiwan was well stocked with SM2 for their Kidd class destroyers.

The fire control consoles, STIR director and associated cabling may also have been removed but there too: how hard can those be to reinstall (as the example of PLAN ships shows, antennea and guns are removed during maintenance all the time). Or better yet, get new, better (more modern) stations as lead up or part of a Genesis-like effort….

Can I please get a source on that quote by the way?

ADA and DRDO will be overjoyed if the future Indian carriers carry the LCA on them…I don’t think they have any ambitions of selling it overseas.

That’s a pity. I think it would be a nice fit with Sao Paolo indeed.

Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigate USS McInerney (FFG 8), after the Mk-13 Launcher was removed, with small combat value. She is like a patro vessel for coast guard duty.

Small combat value? Discounting a very good ASW capability and reasonable gun armament there.

Assuming the Mk13 won’t be restored to functioning condition, parking 1x RAM 21-round launcher on top of it and 2×4 Harpoon on racks forward of the bridge gets you a ship with capability superior to the Type 21 (which have either SAM and 30 cannon, or SSM and Phalanx) and roughly comparable to the F22P. It would not be a big investment.

Indeed many countries do still operate the SM-1 and that is the problem, now its out of production we have a limited availability of missiles for these navies.

Thats one of the main reasons the USN took the MK-13 Standard SM-1 combination out of service, to make stocks available to customer navies who still use the same combination.

The SM-1 was phased out of US service in 2003, but still serves with some allied navies; most US and international orders are currently SM-2s, but many countries operating FFG-7 Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigates and similar vintage ships still use them. The “growth space” inherent in its basic design is a big reason that the Standard missile family remains relevant to this day.

Support for foreign SM-1 missiles has transitioned from the US government to Raytheon, who leads a team of companies that provides customers with continued access to spares and repair services. The SM-1 FSS Program consists of core support (program management, asset storage, test equipment support, logistics support and tasking to demilitarize hardware no longer needed for long-term support of the SM-1 Program), intermediate level maintenance (re-certification of SM-1 Block VI, VIA, VIB missiles), depot level maintenance (repair and maintenance of, or preparation, upgrade and installation of SM-1 Block V, VI, VIA and VIB sections, assemblies, sub-assemblies, and components), MK56 Rocket Motor Regrain Program (qualification and production), test equipment support, All-Up-Round (AUR), and technical engineering services. Countries listed in SM-1 support contracts over the past few years have included: Bahrain, Canada, Chile, Egypt, France, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain, Taiwan, and Turkey.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/raytheons-standard-missile-naval-defense-family-updated-02919/
(clearly, the Netherlands no longer uses SM1 since the sale of the l-frigates to Chile.)

Procurement [of SM-1] began in FY67, a total of about 12,000 SM1 (MR and ER) being made for U.S. and foreign service. US procurement ended in FY85 (700 in FY84, 600 in FY85), but foreign demand led Hughes to reopen the line (171 in FY90, 242 in FY91, 153 in FY92-93).
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Most export customers use Block V (RIM-66B, 2,141 made 1969-83)
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Block VI (RIM-66E) … procurement began in FY80 … This version remains in production for export to e.g. Taiwan.
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The US Navy ceased supporting SM-1 at the end of FY03 (end of september 2003): U.S. Perry-class frigates had the above deck parts of their mk13 launchers removed. The belowdecks portion remains because its weight is necessary to balance the ship fore and aft. Raytheon formed a consortium to continue to support the missile for export customers, and in particular to regrain and refurbish its Mk56 motor, production of which ended about 1997. Late in 2002, it is estimated that 2,500 to 3,000 SM-1 remained in service.It hoped to both maintain these weapons and sell ex-US Navy stock. About 12 customers had expressed interest, and the company hoped to keep the missile in service throuhg 2020.

The Naval Institute guide to world naval weapon systems (Norman Friedman), Editie: 5 – 2006, pp 594-595.

Seems that situation is well under control

Well it depends what Pakistan wants to use it for, without the STIR and MK13 she is pretty much in the surface roll an OPV but she would represent a significant improvement in ASW with her SQS-56 and SQR-19 towed sonar array. Add a helicopter with a dipping sonar and your really talking in respect of that role.

I don’t think its worth refiting the STIR and MK-13 considering the limited number of missiles left for the launcher. Actually if they do want an anti air missile capability they are probably better off fitting the LY-60N 6 cell box launcher from the Type-21 Amazon/Tariq class as they are retired.

Most foreign operators of ex-USN OHP or like ships (Spain, Taiwan) operate SM1. In addition there are still some other ships with the Mk13 e.g. Chilean (ex-Dutch van Heemskerck) L-frigates, Italian Durand de la Penne class DDGs, French Cassard class FFGs that operate SM1. In fact, US guarantees continued support for SM1 operators(through Raytheon, the sole contractor for Standard), even if it doesn’t use SM1 itself no more.

The missile was retired from USN service in 2003; however it is still widely used abroad and is expected to remain viable until 2020 (USNI Combat Fleets 2005-2006, Wertheim, Eric; Editor, USN section Naval Institute Press © 2005 )