Spy trawlers the Russians had that shadowed our carriers.
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The prime missile of Soviet AGI (Auxiliary General Intelligence) trawlers was to monitor USN submarine bases and carriers and perform electronic surveillance (SIGINT). Several hundred were deployed across the globe. During the cold war, AGI trawlers like these were also used to actually disrupt carrier flight operations. These torpedo tubes could fire conventional torpedoes, which could be used against an opposing force being shadowed at sea. However, they could also be used in or near ports, to covertly deploy naval spetsnaz forces [combat swimmers], or to deploy certain types of mines. The sonar housing contains an high frequency (active?) sonar in the 32khz – 45khz range.

I thought the alcohol was to enable you to get the sleep despite the children? :p

Only in unacceptbly large quantities (unacceptable to the misses, that it)

This has been extensively discussed on this forum already. There’s a thread dedicated to it.

Do keep up.

Dear relative noob, you will have to excuse us old farts if we’re slipping. It is the combination of age, alcohol, children and not enough sleep ….

Mmm that suggests the DMO of the Dutch MinDef (as the lead designers) used the Canadian know-how to design the JSS. I think that is not true: As a matter of fact as soon as in 2002 the original replacement programme of the Zuiderkruis, which was to be a modernized Amsterdam/Patino-class AOR, was delayed to 2011 plans were made to replace it with either a LHD with RAS-capabilities backed-up by a LSL (which was meant to replace the single-hull Amsterdam before its MLU) or AOR(‘s) with strategic sealift capabilities. The latter option was chosen (mainly because of budgetary reasons). Maybe these plans were inspired by the Canadian JSS-plans, but they weren’t mentioned anywhere during these years.

Later the DMO did invite the Canadians over to discuss their programmes and potential cooperation, but according to the acquisition letter the Canadians weren’t interested in it. They also invited the Germans, but they were looking at a less ambitious programme in a later timeframe. These talks are obligatory for the MinDef in large material programmes i.o.t. look for cooperation and synergy in these kind of programmes. The Belgians supposedly warned the DMO for setting the requirements too wide resulting in an exorbitant large and expensive JOATMON, as they experienced with their ill-fated BLTS a few years ago.

Besides, the Dutch design is very different from the Canadian concept shown above (more along the lines of an Enforcer LPD, but without a dock and with RAS rigs).

What is the wrong :confused:

Well, unless you and Zinhui are the same person, I think a reference would be in order. After all, it’s his ‘brainchild’…

Latest photo of Varyag’s island.

Type H/LJG-348 Phased Array Radar’s slots and radar mast on the Type 052C destroyer during construction.

Looking at this photo* of Vargag’s remodeled island — it seems to share a great deal of similarity with Type052C destroyer’s phased array radar and radar mast arrangements. Therefore, it would not be a complete surprise to see a multifunction active phased array radar mounted on those “open slots” later.

You read/copied Xinhui’s post verbatim? 😮

Cool, though it will take some time to get used to those remarkably different looks. Hopefully more pics will eventually show it from more aspects.

For the service of “loose lips sink ships”, the Navy leaked the blandly titled “Joint Programs TOC Affordability” document through more holes than IJN Yamato off Okinawa. This was no baby-seals-type accident. It’s a deliberate hit at the highest level.

What matters is that the admirals and senior Navy leaders believe the report is roughly accurate, or it wouldn’t be on the street in the first place.

So, it is safe to assume that the Burgess document is ‘ navy acknowledged’ then?

:D:p