Nice one Adrian. Both aircraft were Bulldogs from 3 FTS at Grantham. They collided over Alderstead Heath, Surrey on 16th May 1934. K2486 and K1651 being the aircraft involved.
Info according to The Scotsman newspaper. Not sure though that 3 (or as they put it – Third) FTS is correct. More likely 3 Squadron?
Thanks for clarifying that point, warhawk69. Hopefully there will be some aviation content in the new museum building at Wroughton! I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Hello dhfan,
I first came across the news about Wroughton in a newspaper article which led me to believe the site was fully open. Cue much excitement! However, looking further it turns out it is only open for guided tours on certain dates and that these are already fully booked up well into next year unfortunately. So the news obviously wasn’t kept that quiet in certain quarters!
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BUT – even worse, under Tour Details it states large aircraft are not included in the tour being “stored elsewhere” I suspect that might mean every aircraft other than the little Gugnunc is out of reach over in the old hangar.
My apologies if I raised anyone’s hopes for a quick visit there.
https://www.scienceinnovationpark.org.uk/visit-us/public-guided-tours
The Gugnunc now appears to be suspended in the newly re-opened Science Museum site at Wroughton (gosh, that’s been kept quiet!)
Scroll down this page a bit –
https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co29486/handley-pa…
Hi Snapper,
Nice video. The C-47 appears to have served with 147 Squadron, 110 Wing of Transport Command, at Croydon between September 1944 and 1946. Postwar the Daks were used for flights to cities in liberated Europe including the route Croydon-Munich-Vienna. When KG783 flew on this route it carried the codes CMV-113 and also CMV-165.
From 18th Jan 47 to 15 March 1950 it flew with Air Transport Charter (Channel Islands) Ltd as “St Helier” , The book “British Dakotas” then has it listed as owned by Lambert’s Trust Ltd t/a Air Transport Charter (C.I.) Ltd until October 1952 (presumably a takeover of the company?)
Have tried to find out what film(s) the Vimy might have been used for but no joy there. I wonder if it was possibly practising for the Wembley Torchlight Spectacle at the Empire Exhibition that year? It did belong to the Night Flying Flight.
The show was renamed “London Defended” in 1925. Sounds “interesting” to say the least and you can’t imagine it being allowed today! –
London defended
From May 9 to June 1, 1925 No. 32 Squadron RAF flew an air display six nights a week entitled “London Defended” Similar to the display they had done the previous year when the aircraft were painted black it consisted of a night time air display over the Wembley Exhibition flying RAF Sopwith Snipes which were painted red for the display and fitted with white lights on the wings tail and fuselage. The display involved firing blank ammunition into the stadium crowds and dropping pyrotechnics from the aeroplanes to simulate shrapnel from guns on the ground, Explosions on the ground also produced the effect of bombs being dropped into the stadium by the Aeroplanes.
The poster for the event –
Avro 504K H3071 and Sopwith Snipe E6617 were the aircraft involved in the Duxford crash. The Snipe was from 111 Sqn and the 504K belonged to 2FTS. Flying Officer Jasper Godfrey Peck was killed in the Snipe and Sgt George Thomas Bond in the Avro.
Vickers Vimy F9181 of 56 Sqn was the aircraft involved at Biggin Hill. Flying Officer W. Smith and Sgt Pilot F. Lister were killed. “The Scotsman” article states “the cause of the accident is obscure” and that the aircraft was “engaged in certain flight practices which were being filmed from another aeroplane for official purposes*. The aeroplane had completed its manoeuvres and was in the course of landing when it crashed”
* much prefer “fancy feats” 🙂
“The Scotsman” newspaper carried only a very brief report of the accident but gave more space 2 days later to the findings of the inquest on Flt Lt Mason –
Hi Dave,
The accident appears to have happened on 28th August 1924 and involved Sopwith Snipe F2444 of 19 Squadron. I haven’t seen any reference to a memorial but maybe one of the forum members more local to Duxford might know?
Hello P&P,
“Flight” magazine of 6th July 1933 has a very detailed and well illustrated article on the Heyford which includes info on the spars. Available at the link below. I’d suggest downloading it as it’s so much easier to read that way!
https://archive.org/details/Flight_International_Magazine_1933-07-06-pd…
The article is concluded in the 20th July issue –
https://archive.org/details/Flight_International_Magazine_1933-07-20-pd…
Excellent! What a wonderful gesture and very well deserved recognition of the amazing work you are doing 🙂
Happy to help, Old Towzer 🙂
Hello Old Towzer,
There is a photo of WS727 in Air Britain’s Aeromilitaria for the year 2000 – https://air-britain.com/pdfs/aeromilitaria/Aeromilitaria_2000.pdf
It’s on page 113. It’s quite a sizeable download so takes a bit of time to load.
According to “British Civil Aircraft since 1919 vol 2” there was a growing demand between 1946 – 48 for the rapid transport of ship’s crews and spares and the delivery of machinery to the Overseas Food Corporation in East Africa and the carriage of pilgrims to the Near East. Halifaxes played a prominent part in this. The paragraph goes on to list several of the smaller airlines involved but does not mention C.L. Air Surveys. I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the reason for purchasing them though. They were based at Ringway according to the same source.
I think the only thing I can add which I don’t think has been mentioned before is that C. L. Air Surveys also used a couple of Halifaxes during 1947 – G-AIOH and G-AIOI. Both moved on to Bond Air Services in March 1948. Info from “Handley Page Aircraft since 1907”.