WisePandaABG looks like a kitten compared to Hyundai but even kittens grow up into fierce cats meow meow :p
http://www.abgindia.com/home.htm
and here’s the pollution ship link & photo: on aft deck they ought to mount 6 Urans in inclined tubes and a kashtan gun system higher up somewhere.
WisePandasure its only a paper , but these things do point to general lines of thought.
meantime shipbuilding also needs to expand ….. the ABG shipyard has bagged
a deal to make 3 very nice looking pollution control ships (mounts 1 heli) for the coast guard.
Economic Times:
Potential for another ship-builder for the Indian Navy?
Pipavav Shipyard, has bagged two separate deals cumulating $720m to manufacture and export ships for two European buyers — Z Schifenbau of Germany and BF Shipping of Cyprus.
This is the largest such deal in the country in the ship building sector, the biggest yet being the Rs 700 crore deal bagged by ABG Shipyards and a $200m deal bagged by Cochin Shipyards. Gujarat-based Pipavav Shipyard is owned by Nikhil and Bhavesh Gandhi promoted SKIL Infrastructure, where Singapore’s Sembawang and FIs such as IL&FS and EXIM Bank are equity partners.
According to sources, while the first contract involving 8 ships is from Z Schifenbau for $260m, the second is from BF Shipping for 10 ships at a cost of $510m. Both the deals have been finalised this week.
The first three ships would be delivered in two years following which three would be delivered after every three months. The contract involves manufacturing of two types of ships — opti box and car carriers. Construction of ships is likely to commence in the next three to four months.
These two are the first contracts for Pipavav Shipyard, which has developed its current infrastructure based on Japanese technology, equipment and construction methods at a cost of $160m.
Pipavav Shipyard would be making additional investments of Rs 990 crore over the next 18 months to set up additional infrastructure for the shipyard. When complete, it will be able to build simultaneously as many as 12 large ships and other offshore assets with the help of wet basin, dry docks and land berths.
WisePandaa IN force planning paper recently published envisions this force structure in
2030.
http://indiannavy.nic.in/nott_winner_2000.pdf
– a std line of 3000t multirole FFG (12)
– a std line of 6000t multirole DDG (12)
– 2 CV
– a good number of large tankers
– 1 LPHD
– progressive phasing out of SSK in favour of SSN
– replace all LRMP with < 15 hrs loiter time with new planes and have
them in atleast 1:1 ratio with surface warships
the missions envisaged are:-
– 100 day missions by the CV grps with fuel & ammo support from auxiliaries
– LPHD and other ships to land 1 reinforced batallion with all vehicles in 1st wave and 1 brigade in second.
one gets the sense they arent much interested in amphibious ops, more interested in “deep ocean” ASW and force projection/securing SLOC far away from mainland.
sounds more like a plan to deal with the expansion of PLAN than beating up Fiji. :diablo:
on the Mistral no need to gnash teeth. its a new platform and IN will let the french build a couple first to soak up all initial expenses and prove itself before they decide what of several contenders..dutch Rotterdam class also looks good and cheaper. UK would have some design.
they derisked the ADS by waiting until Fincantieri was working on the Cavour
and then roped them in as design consultant.
WisePandathey will have to get hawk trainers coz IAF expressed its deep displeasure at the idea of sharing its loot 😀 and has the muscle to make it stick.
IN’s LPDs will finally be a license made Mistral series …. whispers in the woods.
WisePandathe fact is that the air force is overstaffed in terms of pilots,”
they need to decide whats the problem..we have other articles saying there is acute pilot shortage due to civilian sector poaching.
the paks and pandas must be going nuts trying to figure this one out 😀
WisePandaIndia’s Air Chief Visits U.S. for Talks
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI, NEW DELHI
Air Chief Marshal Shashindra Pal Tyagi, chief of the Indian Air Force (IAF), visits the United States Aug. 21-30 at a time when the service is on a multibillion-dollar buying spree, which includes the purchase of 126 Multirole Medium Range Combat Aircraft, transport aircraft, air defense systems, advanced ammunition and advanced equipment.
During a visit to the U.S. Air Force Space Command at Omaha, Neb., Tyagi will be briefed on network-centric warfare, a focus of the IAF’s new doctrine, adopted by the government in 2004.
The sale of F-16 and F/A-18 fighter aircraft and Hercules C-130J transporters are expected to figure prominently in Tyagi’s discussions with U.S. defense officials at the Pentagon.
Tyagi also will be briefed on Operation Red Flag, a multinational exercise in which IAF will participate.
Defense ties between India and the United States have increased since September 2001, when Washington lifted sanctions that had been imposed as a result of New Delhi’s nuclear weapon testing.
India is negotiating several defense-related issues with the United States, including:
• Sourcing of technology for India’s land-, sea- and air-based communication and surveillance platforms and related systems.
• Procurement of testing facilities for armaments, avionics, electronic warfare equipment; radar for sea-, land- and air-based platforms; multi-utility light infantry weapon systems; and technology and systems for land-based border surveillance.
• Technical help in managing India’s air defense network.
WisePandawill this be a future 10-ton heli to supplement and replace the Mi17V ?
EADS plans €2 bn investment in India
Reuters
Frankfurt, August 23, 2006
European aerospace and defence group EADS will invest 2 billion euros ($2.57 billion) over the next 15 years in India in production as well as research and development facilities, Financial Times Deutschland reported.
The group, currently represented there only by an Airbus branch office, plans cooperation between its Eurocopter subsidiary and India’s HAL to develop a new army helicopter.
The project is expected to be announced next week during a visit to India by German economics minister Michael Glos, the paper wrote without citing sources.
WisePandatechnology wise do they internally design the largest ships and manufacture the big equipment like stabilizers, props, pumps and engines ? or do people like pielstick, wartsila, cummins and MTU still dominate that segment ?
WisePandawell I dont think any large armed forces including the US NORAD is happy with what it has, more can always be done. I recall the US FAA was running on 30 yr old computers and some scotch tape, using ferrite core memories they had to special order coz nobody made them anymore! nobody can afford 24×7 edge-of-space to treetop level 100% coverage. thats why drug runners still get thru even in US where the CG has P3-AEW platforms even.
WisePandawell no kneepads, elbowpads like the US,
are they std issue now ? I had read of soldiers buying such gear and camelback water pouches in sporting goods stores with their own money prior to iraq/afghan deployment. the US army with its budget also didnt come across as very foresighted in deploying Hummers without heavy armour against RPG teams…believe local commanders went to workshops and slapped on steel plates.
but BPJs are dime a dozen…
indeed, anyone in terrorist/border areas certainly has it and yahoo/getty has
plenty of kashmir photos. many varities exist – the paramils get the low end
kit, the army kits look better fitting and thicker. however it cannot be
LAPD SWAT style uber-expensive abercrombie n fitch designer gear given the
volumes needed and cost considerations.
kevlar helmet
believe TAML copied the US army helmet and is supplying it now …. it will
take some yrs to reequip the entire army and paramils close to 2 mil people.
http://www.tamlindia.com/defence.html. the ‘patka’ cap designed
for the sikhs seems to be wildly popular among non-sikhs as well. some just
like a black cloth around the head for the ‘rogue warrior’ look 😀
IA has been pouring money like anything into infantry modernization since kargil war and neglecting the armour/arty. Tons of new gear as mentioned below. in arty only the 133mm->155mm change is nearly done..hundreds of tubes have been converted. the towed/truck 155mm 52cal contest had BOFORS as the clear winner in rds1 and rds2 but the GANDHI FAMILY is afraid of the B-word so various delays/new contests imposed to keep SOLTAM in the race they had clearly lost. BOFORS has also demoed matching range as the DENEL pathbreaking vlap projectiles sometime in early 2005. DENEL got kicked from all contracts for some small piddling bribe – probably didnt pay the right quarters in new Govt after regime change in 2004.
so its the usual 5 steps fwd, 2 steps back dance. Progress but not as fast as we jingos would like.
:rolleyes:
WisePandathere is a fine balanced line for the Iranians.
– if a US attack is not imminent or somewhat unlikely, then its pays not to attack the gorilla. this is what they are doing now, igniting smaller fires elsewhere.
– if the US is coiling up to strike as in 3-4 CVBGs deployed to gulf, very heavy ECM activity, reports from Qatar of addl F15 and E3 reinforcements arriving and USN ships sailing deliberately into territorial waters looking for fights, then Iran by Not attacking risks losing almost everything to the first hammer blows. This is mistake Saddam made both times. You dont let the gorilla camp on ur doorstep and pile up men n materials for six months and prepare a static defence.
by lashing out preemptively, Iran atleast has a chance to cause some significant damage in the initial stages and spook the US admin a little, giving time for domestic enemies of the admin to make their case. the attack has to be carefully staged to gain support of international opinion like a surprise massed attack that sinks a US DDG thats slightly violating some area claimed by Iran.
and then they will immediately offer some talks to defuse the tension AND rattles their saber promising more pain if the US presses the issue. “good offices” of EU can be called upon to prevent an escalation…price of oil will spike by $10/bbl surely on the bad news.
I have some reason to think under chinese coaching the iranians and north koreans are better this hair trigger game than the pakistanis and syrians(though Assad Sr was supposed to be a real master of that game).
:diablo:
WisePanda>> Is there a air launched yakhont?
is being worked on under brahmos proj but onlee Su30 can carry it around.
against US forces if u dont have 100s of planes for ASM duty, then supersonic is better else go for saturation attack with 500-1000 low flying subsonic missiles and cheap drones to deplete the SAM cover and fix the carriers’ position (will be where the SM2s & F-18 come up from)….then deliver the hammer blow with Granit salvos from SSGN :diablo:
hopefully u bag a couple carriers, 5-6 DDG and later a followup strike mops up the fleeing FFG / auxiliary ships.
WisePandathe third para from the end ….
http://p203.ezboard.com/ffightersandmilitaryaircraftfrm1.showMessage?topicID=428.topic
One exercise, for example, involves Sukhoi 30 Mki fighters taking off from their base in Pune, firing in a mock drill over ranges near Pokhran in the Rajasthan desert, “RV-ing” with a ‘thirst quencher’ over Alwar, flying to another mission over ranges near Tezpur in Assam, “RV-ing” with an Astra over Bagdogra in north Bengal and flying back to base in Pune after a bombing run in ranges in Madhya Pradesh.
WisePandaamerican advice on civilian casualties and HR is strictly reserved for others like russia. the true extent of civilian casualties & suffering in Fallujah before the US govt called that off can only be known in fragments…..but nyet you “cant” do it in grozny. :p
imagine if a pliant drunkard like yeltsin had been in charge, russia would be 5 extra countries by now.
WisePandaWOW , star49 posting something neutral on IAF. Allah be praised!
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