WisePandacos tend to make what their home customer wants and see if anyone else wants it. the fate of export-oriented products like F-20 is well known.
and these new_age “stealth” AJTs havent been doing too well last I checked :p
WisePandaExporting the PLAAF spec J-10 to PAF is a guarantee that US experts will soon be taking it apart since PAF has even been willing to bomb some of their own tribes to please US interests.
in that sense, PRC is better off not sending the J-10 to PAF or neutering it sufficiently in aspects like radar and EW and missiles (let PAF buy and fit their own) such that US gains are limited.
US would _love_ to have a J-10 to thoroughly eval.
WisePandaThe Hindu: …better late than never.
http://www.hindu.com/2006/07/28/stories/2006072820651800.htm
The NSTL’s efforts to design advance models of stealth ships received a shot in the arm with the launching of work on instrumentation radar centre atop Dolphin hills overlooking the sea here on Thursday.
The centre, being developed at a cost of Rs.10 crores on a site allotted by the Navy, will be an advanced facility for measuring the radar signature of ships by the NSTL. Ships can evade attacks during hostilities if they are undetectable by enemy radars.
The centre will help the NSTL in studying various stealth design features of ships.
The new facility, expected to be ready by May next year, will help reduce radar signature of ships by using newly-developed stealth material.
Laying the stone for the centre, Dr. Sivathanu Pillai said: “I know, a few years back, the NSTL embarked upon an integrated stealth technology programme.
As part of it, it developed a lot of stealth hardware, software and stealth materials.” He said some of the stealth materials developed by the NSTL and Mumbai-based Naval Material Research Laboratory (NMRL) were inducted on first of class stealth ship INS Shivalik.
WisePandasome details on the security measures for new F-16. does anyone know if similar apply to other non-nato users like singapore or taiwan ?
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according to testimony by US Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs John F Hillen to the House International Relations Committee, the same panel that first voted for the nuclear deal.
• US government has done a “security site survey” of Pak bases and facilities, drawn up security plans of these sites where the F-16s will be located and it has been put in the deal that Pakistan will comply with the ‘‘approved security plans’’.
• US presence to ‘‘monitor compliance’’ with the security plan and a ‘‘very enhanced end-use monitoring programme’’.
• Two-man rule for access to equipment and restricted areas, wherein Pakistan cannot use these F-16s in exercises and operations with third countries without prior approval of the US.
• The planes are not equipped with technology that would allow them to carry out offensive action to penetrate airspace of another country that is ‘‘highly defended’’. They cannot deliver nuclear weapons.
• F-16 maintenance and parts storage has to be in dedicated facilities run by Air Force personnel—and not sub-contractors—which are part of the ‘‘overall surveillance plan.’’
• No supply of the aircraft unless US finds Pakistan ‘‘fully compliant’’ with the security plan requirements.
• Routine access to F-16 aircraft also restricted to Pakistan Air Force personnel pre-approved by the US. And only the PAF can perform maintenance, no Pakistan contractors, industry or third countries to be involved.
“The security plan greatly exceeds US Air Force standards for our own security of these weapons systems,’’ Hillen said while urging the House panel to approve the sale. Even this did not fully convince the members as Hillen then went on to say there was more which he would discuss in detail in a ‘‘closed session’’.
WisePanda$15 mil is if you want a $100K J-7 type radar , no seat (build ur own!), no paint, no spares, training, support contract or munitions . A decent radar costs between $5-10 mil these days. the price of JF17 would be > double if these concepts quoted routinely in western per-unit prices were included.
the F16 MLU of mid 90s looks a more versatile, proven and better soln than what JF17 promises in 2010. US munitions, avionics and EW alone outclass the russo-chinese by miles.
PAF is not unaware of all this hence their desire to upgrade all their old kit to MLU and pickup as many used F16 as they can afford.
WisePandaTranche3 captor-aesa will have a special interleaved mode to guide this PGM. EADS has put a special tiger team on this module.
WisePandaI dont think nuclear capable needs anything special other than the usual electrical interface to arm the bombs internal electronics, some kinda status monitoring via a ieee std bus and a mechnical release…shud be same for all bombs…the bombs internal workings are isolated from the aircraft (unless someone wants it).
india has tested such payloads from mirage2000 and jaguars and surely uk/france didnt help any there.
I am sure any of the PAF a/c including the A-5 are quite capable of delivering nuclear payload.
or am I barking up the wrong tree here ?
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WisePandathe collab with IAI is actually for 3 UAVs – small, medium and large to replace all the current kit. its a long term pgm and involves payloads also like SAR/ISAR for ground recon and targeting. Janes/defecenews had a really long article on it a couple yrs back.
right now they are happy with Searcher2 and Heron but I am sure in next 2-3 yrs the first products from this new line would be visible in prototype format.
WisePandaRafale sounds like a political + technical more future proof option than F16NG to me. you know if Unkil gets PMS someday and cant locate the pill bottle there goes some vital $1 wingnut under sanctions , followed by a major crisis to reverse engineer or second source it from mali or chile. and we get the extra lectures for free on human rights, democracy, religious tolerance and such with Unkils 8mb starter kit 🙂
however lets see what is on offer for F-18 … Rafale is better than F-18 is almost any yardstick. if French can show a credible technology roadmap for their AESA soln backed by EU-based fabs (infineon etc) and meteor comes along well….Rafale/EF beats the F16/F18 hands down from indian pov.
WisePandainteresting to note “without DFRM” is separately noted in each line iteam for the EW gear. sounds like US wants to sell a neutered/reduced-flex setup to PAF and hasnt left any ambiguity or language wiggle room in the offer.
since mods to these block52 to incorporate thales / s_african / saab gear wont be possible without US permission sounds like PAF is stuck with this kit for the lifecycle.
iirc the old saab jammers used in IN Sea harriers are without dfrm. and the barracuda jammers used in the M2kH.
WisePandaM wont like the restrictions, but its the best he can get allround.
He will take it.
WisePandalogical step. needs to be distinctly superior to Block52 to interest the IAF given recent events….
the next move is upto US Govt how quickly they can clear proposed kit like APG80.
so far they have even “failed” to clear Harpoon 😀
we will be glad to take our business elsewhere like Rafale + AMSAR + meteor.
WisePandafrom DefenceNews. also DARE recently inked a JV with EADS for MAWS and self-defence system for the helicopters.
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India, Israel Propose Joint EW Venture
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI, NEW DELHI
India and Israel want to set up a joint venture to develop advanced electronic warfare (EW) systems for their air forces’ fighter aircraft.
The proposed joint venture, the creation of which would cost around $100 million, is expected to get the go-ahead shortly with a signed deal between India’s Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE), Bangalore, and the Elisra Group, Bene Beraq, Israel.
Seventy percent of the venture will be funded by DARE, which is part of the state-run Defence Research and Development Organisation, with Elisra paying the remaining 30 percent.
A senior DARE scientist said the proposed venture likely will get off the ground in the next three to six months at DARE facilities in Bangalore.
Elisra will develop approach warning systems, radar jamming pods and other systems, while DARE will develop cooling systems, electromagnetic interference and electromagnetic susceptibility systems, as well as system integration in the aircraft.
The program is to be fully operational in three years.
Systems for LCA, JSF
The scientist said this venture will see an advanced EW system called MAYAVI developed for India’s Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) and F-35 Joint Strike Fighters that Israel plans to buy from the United States.
The EW system will feature advanced radar warning, radar jamming, and electronic combat and self-protection systems. It also will have an Integrated Defensive Electronic Radio Frequency Countermeasures system to help protect the LCA against radar-guided missiles.
Its Advanced Threat Infrared Countermeasures will protect aircraft against heat-seeking missiles, and be paired with the Common Missile Warning System.
“We are collaborating with Indian agencies for a number of defense programs, but, as per company policy, we do not discuss specific programs,” an Elisra executive here said. The executive added that DARE was selected as a partner after trying several other defense partners in the world.
A senior Indian Defence Ministry official said India wants to forge alliances with Israeli companies to develop a variety of high-end defense technologies so that the Indian Defence Forces do not have to depend on the West for critical technologies.
Elisra has helped DARE in the past to develop an EW system called Tempest for the MiG-21 bis fighter upgrade program. EW systems from Elisra also are being supplied for the licensed production in India of 140 Sukhoi Su-31 MKI aircraft at Hindustan Aeronautics, Bangalore.
The Defence Ministry official said India has procured an unspecified number of EW suites from Israel for LCA prototypes, but declined to elaborate.
WisePandawhat is the meaning of the “without DFRAM” ?
36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM;
WisePandamaybe the Hez have tunnels and deep bunkers in the mountains ?
the israeli production line maybe too small to keep up with surging demand hence the request for US stocks ?
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