PLAAF AWACS crash : nytimes
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/06/world/asia/06cnd-china.html
Aircraft Crash Sets Back China’s Military Efforts
By JOSEPH KAHN
Published: June 6, 2006
BEIJING, June 6 — China’s efforts to field an early-warning aircraft that could help it project power far beyond its borders and challenge American intervention in any conflict with Taiwan were dealt at least a temporary blow by the crash of a surveillance aircraft on Sunday, defense specialists in the region said.
The aircraft, described by two Chinese-controlled newspapers in Hong Kong as a Chinese-made airborne warning and control system, or Awacs, plane, slammed into a hillside in central Anhui province on Sunday, killing all 40 technicians and crew members on board.
The crash was described as one of the worst disasters in the history of the Chinese air force. Mainland Chinese media said Guo Boxiong, a top military official in Beijing, was supervising the investigation into the crash and that President Hu Jintao had expressed condolences to the families of the victims.
The two Chinese-backed newspapers in Hong Kong, Ta Kung Pao and Wen Wei Po, carried articles on Monday that described the crash in more detail than the mainland media. They did not identify the model of the plane, but regional experts suggested it was most likely the KJ-2000, an early-warning aircraft China has developed using mostly indigenous technology.
In addition to the loss of the aircraft, one of four China has built, experts said the deaths of the 40 people on board, including 35 electronics and avionics technicians, could hinder one of China’s most pressing military modernization programs.
“We don’t know the cause of the crash and can’t say for certain how much of a problem it will prove to be,” said Allen Behm, an expert on the Chinese military and a former chief strategist in Australia’s Defense Department. “But to lose that much expertise really does hurt.”
The United States has a sophisticated fleet of Awacs aircraft that it sees as giving its naval forces a decisive advantage in sea battles.
China needs such technology if its intends to project force far from its own shores. Without such technology, it would face tactical disadvantages in the event of a conflict with Japan or Taiwan.
China has repeatedly threatened to attack Taiwan if the island declares formal independence. The United States has said that it would come to Taiwan’s defense if China mounted an attack. Japan, an American military ally, uses American-made Awacs aircraft.
China tried for years to purchase Awacs technology from Israel, France, Britain and Russia. But the United States strongly opposed the sale of such technology, and Beijing has been forced to develop its own version.
The KJ-2000 is a conversion of a Russian-made Il-76 transport plane into an Awacs aircraft. The Chinese air force has also mounted sophisticated radar systems on its own Yun-8 transport planes.
The system China uses has similarities to the Israeli Phalcon technology Beijing once hoped to buy off the shelf. It has a fixed rotodome and phased-array antennas attached to the fuselage, aviation experts say.
Mr. Behm said the number of people on board Sunday’s flight suggested that China was conducting a test of the aircraft. The plane may have carried three-dozen technicians because China wanted to conduct the tests without transmitting real-time data from the aircraft to the ground.
The United States could potentially intercept air-to-ground signals from a Chinese Awacs plane and gauge the country’s progress in developing the technology, Mr. Behm said.
Lin Chong-pin, a former defense official in Taiwan, said China has pushed hard to develop early-warning aircraft and probably would not be deterred by the accident.
“They have the resolve and they have the money,” Mr. Lin said. “So I don’t imagine that this will set them back for too long.”
But he added that China may be somewhat less likely to pursue a risky military confrontation with Taiwan if it feels its Awacs aircraft are unprepared for wartime operation.
why are they going for a new design after only three Agosta90B last one made in karachi ? perhaps the A90B didnt meet their expectations, hence the churn.
cant find the IAF thread but the US joint chief currently on visit to India has invited for Red Flag next year.
so the wishes of the F15C jocks have come true. lets see who goes on visit.
being 36 yrs old its obvious BD will use them for training purposes only before potentially buying a couple of Songs from PRC or Kilos from Russia.
I read yesterday Japan had signed on as a major partner in the SM-3 TBMD pgm and will manufacture the nosecone and 1st stage motor. US will develop the warhead and infra-red seeker among other things.
we had already seen a circular 4 faced PA radar being tested in japan for TBMD intercept role. maybe they will mount this in dedicated AAW cruisers armed with say 100 P-VLS cells ported from the DD21 design.
yeah baby yeah.
actually India has had a base in Tajikistan for over a decade. right after the Taliban took over most of afghanistan, three powers – russia, iran and india decided to help whoever would fight the Talibs. Iran concentrated efforts in the western provinces using folks like Ismael khan (“the lion of Herat”) while India and Russia got behind Ahmed shah masood – leader of the panshir valley tajiks and adjacent to tajik republic.
russia I think also helped Gen dostum in Jowzjan province bordering uzbekistan.
whispers speak of india sending people & parts to keep the tajik helicopters operating; and base n field hospitals with indian military doctors that treated the wounded in the long war…this is said to have included masood himself and many of his top commanders.
obviously funds were also provided to buy arms and other supplies.
btw Karzai studied in India – political science in Simla. no wonder the Paks hate him 🙂
IAF chief is in Russia to among other things sign a $600 mil deal for swapping 18 Su30 into 18 Su30MKI per indian media reports.
comes to $33 mil per MKI. iirc the cost of a regular MKI being around $45-50 mil they are valueing around 10-15 mil per old Su30 airframe.
Bhutan.
its a subcaliber F15 launched from the special missions Jimmy carter seawolf sub. carries no ordnance but SEAL operators packed inside wing pods. also has a GAU8 to take care of FACs and such.
another slap on face for “experts” after the KH31 episode.
at end of Part2 I liked the guy who ack’ed being shot down but asked why the “victors” overalls were all soiled :diablo:
RR , MTU and Snecma are in the league of GE and UT. mass producing a trailing edge engine gives you no real edge over those who produce limited nos of bleeding edge ones. Uk/Fr/Ger dont **need** 4000 plane AFs armed with Mig21 derivatives and other obsolete craft.
“mock” sorties sitting in wooden model craft wont do for NATO :diablo:
> personnel £9.5 billion
does BAE still have 4000+ contractors in KSA to service the tornado fleet and generally “keep an eye” over their semi-competent hotshot users ?
looks like plenty of petrodollars will be recycled back to UK/EU for ploughing back into other projects.
after being humiliated and banned you have added -1 to your name. never mind, you are still a disgrace and failure to your country. :p
and thanks for giving us that scoop from May , 2002.
Tornado has a superior sensor fit and weapons compared to the JH7, Su24, Mig23. The F-14 is retired now and doesnt matter.
In 2007 they will trial Aesa radar optimized for A2G on the GR4 models.
So it will be behind the F-15E/K/SG/I only in total capability and far better than any ordinary strike a/c.
See my post in the eurofighter-for-saudis thread for details on the AESA.
iirc french M2K pilots reported that in low levels the optimized engines and high wing loading of the GR4 make it almost impossible to pin down.