WisePandalets say RD93 cost $3 mil each. 300 engines (150 fighter + 150 spares) comes to $1b.
just a single deal to upg around 50 Mig29 fighters came to $900m
add in
– IL38 upgrade
– payments for help on ATV
– KH-xx munitions
– Bison project
– Mig29K for IN
– MTA
– 5th gen fighter research (not MRCA)
– 3 x Talwar frigates ($1b approx)
– ongoing Kilo upgrades
– Gorshkov
– Phalcon airframes
– Midas refuelers
– heavy water 1000mw reactors (6)
– 1000 x AL55 engines for IJT
– MKI project
and many many more. easily comes to tens of billions.
if purely $$ were the issue its a no brainer. but lets see how much PRC is
able to armtwist the Ru….they might try for a tech transfer so that a “clone” can be fielded under another name.
WisePandaI dont want to put my hand in the hornets next (pakthread) so posting it “quietly” here:
http://www.hindu.com/2007/01/22/stories/2007012206341400.htm
Russia blocks sale of Chinese jets to Pakistan
Vladimir Radyuhin
The JF-17 fighter aircraft have been powered by Russian RD-93 engines
# New Delhi, Moscow to sign pact on 5th generation fighter plane
# Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov to visit India
MOSCOW: Russia has blocked the sale of Chinese fighter planes with Russian engines to Pakistan.
“We’ve denied China the right to supply its JF-17 fighter aircraft powered by Russian RD-93 engines to third countries, asking it to sign an end-user certificate for the engines,” said Colonel-General Anatoly Mazurkevich, head of the Defence Ministry’s International Cooperation Department.
President Pervez Musharraf said last year that the JF-17s would be flying in Pakistani skies by March 2007. Islamabad plans to acquire 150 JF-17s, known in China as FC-1. China has bought 100 Klimov RD-93 engines from Russia for installing on JF-17s, with an option to contract another 400 engines.
Speaking to Indian and Russian journalists ahead of a visit to India by Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov on January 22, Col.-Gen. Mazurkevich confirmed that India and Russia are shortly to sign accords to jointly develop and produce a 5th generation fighter plane and a multi-role transport aircraft.
India is expected to announce during Mr. Ivanov’s visit its choice between two Russian concepts of a multi-role stealth fighter plane of the 5th generation that the Russian aviation majors, Sukhoi and MIG, presented to the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) last year.
The aircraft deals will be discussed when Mr. Ivanov co-chairs with Defence Minister A.K. Antony the 6th meeting of the Indo-Russian Inter-Governmental Commission for Military-Technical Cooperation. Ahead of the commission meeting on January 24 Mr. Ivanov will fly to Bangalore to visit the HAL and the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO), as well as some leading Information and Technology companies, and meet business people.
WisePandaTrenton will reach India in May-2007. since the main role is training of marines, disaster relief rather than offensive SAG duty, we might see just a austere fitment of 16xbarak only and perhaps a couple of AK630 sets. and anti torpedo defences in the stern.
IN isnt going to go for a new LPHD until they have figured Trenton out and decided what they really want. the dutch Rotterdam or spanish/italian designs are also good and could be considered.
WisePandahttp://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/jan202007/state119262007120.asp
Dhruv production to be upped
DH News Service Bangalore:
Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will increase the production of Dhruv, it’s multi-role, multi-mission Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH), in a phased manner.
Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will increase the production of Dhruv, it’s multi-role, multi-mission Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH), in a phased manner.
Aircraft Research and Design Centre (ARDC) officials told reporters on Friday that 18 ALH were expected to fly out of the HAL stable in 2007. The targets for 2008 and 2009 were 24 and 33 respectively, they said. Around 65 Dhruvs are already in service with the defence forces, including the Coast Guard.
The weaponised version of Dhruv is tipped for a 2008 launch. Earlier, Chief Test Pilot Wg Cdr Upadhyay said 10 ALH that comprises the 202 Army Aviation Squadron will soon be delivered at Leh. Meanwhile, upgrading of helicopters with Shakti Engine, done by Turbomeca and HAL, is on at the ALH assembly unit. The upgraded copters have Multi Function Displays (MFDs) and have had their cold-weather trial in Leh.
“The ground runs will start by the end of January. The copters are scheduled for a late 2007 certification,” Wg Cdr Upadhyay said.
Cheetals for IAF
Indian Air Force (IAF) has placed an order for 10 Cheetals (former Cheetas, powered with ALH engines), Wg Cdr Upadhyay said. HAL is expected to deliver the helicopters by July, 2008. With the new engine, Cheetals are expected to bring in better fuel efficiency and an extra load capacity of 45 kg. In November 2006, the Cheetal had touched an all-time landing high of 25,500 feet in Saser Kangri in Ladakh.
ARDC EYES BIG
The ARDC is bidding for contracts on composite component assembly for Boeing 787s and A320s, Sounderrajan, AGM, told reporters on Friday. “Since composites involve labour-intensive work, India has great potential in the sector. Talks are also on for deals for Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) for military operations. The next three to four years could see us closing deals worth $ 10 million,” he said.
At present, ARDC has a design collaboration with Eurocopter. Firm orders with Bell and Elbit have been obtained, while talks are on with Pratt & Whitney and Airbus.
WisePandatwo fast horses and a IAF jaguar pilot
http://www.warbirds.in/nfpicturepro/albums/userpics/10002/arun%20l%20deswal.jpg
WisePandasame cannon that was selected for commanche program. Tigre uses the
heavier THL30
http://www.india-defence.com/reports/2763
HAL’s Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) to be Armed with THL 20 Turrets
Daily News & Updates
Dated 25/12/2006
HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited) has awarded a contract for the supply of 20 THL 20 turrets that will equip the Indian Armed Forces’ ALH (Advanced Light Helicopter).
The order covers the development phase of 20 turrets. The first deliveries will take place in 2008. This new contract strengthens GIAT’s position in the field of weapon systems for helicopters.
Mounted under the ALH’s nose, the THL 20 is armed with a 20mm M 621 ultra-light and low-recoil force cannon which makes the turret lighter and provides it with high fire power capabilities. This turret features outstanding aiming accuracy that enables to engage air and land targets at very long range.
In the “Indian” version, the THL 20 turret is combined with a helmet sight, thus making it easier and quicker to use.
Inheriting the THL 30’s capabilities, the THL 20 turret already equips 24 Romanian Army IAR Brasov helicopters. To date, over one hundred and thirty THL 20 and THL 30 turrets have been ordered by France and for export.
WisePandadepends on when the photo was taken. the 3 x brahmaputra class have all got barak-1 now.
WisePandaAll 4 PSLV-C7 satellites launched into orbit
T K Rohit in Sriharikota (AP)
January 10, 2007 09:43 IST
India on Wednesday added yet another feather to its cap in space techonology when its 10th Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle put four satellites into orbit.
The PSLV-C7 blasted off majestically into space at 9.24 am from the spaceport at the Satish Dhawan Space Centre in Sriharikota, 160 km from Chennai.
The successful launch comes six months after GSLV-FO2 broke up, deviating from its path 65 seconds after take off.
PSLV C-7 carries four satellites — the 680 kg Indian Remote Sensing Satellite CARTOSAT-2, the 550 kg Space Capsule Recovery Equipment, Indonesia’s LAPAN-TUBSAT and Argentina’s 6 kg nanosatellite, PEHUENSAT-1.
CARTOSAT-2 is the 12th in the Indian Remote Sensing Satellite series and carries a state-of-the-art panchromatic camera, with a spatial resolution of 1 mt and a solid state recorder with a 64 giga byte storage capacity.
Data from this satellite will find application in cartography at the cadastral level, urban and rural infrastructure development and management, apart from Land Information System and Geographical Information System.
CARTOSAT-2 was placed in a 635 km high polar Sun Synchronous Orbit.
SRE-1, a joint effort between the Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre and ISRO Satellite Centre, is intended to demonstrate the technology of orbiting platform for performing experiments in microgravity conditions and recovering the same after completion of the experiments.
The SRE-1 takes India into an elite club of countries that have satellite re-entry technology. The space flight will stay in orbit for between 13 and 30 days and is expected to splash down into the Bay of Bengal for recovery.
It will provide important technology inputs in navigation, guidance and control during the re-entry phase, hypersonic aero-thermodynamics for reusable thermal protection system, recovery through deceleration and floatation, besides acquisition of basic technology for reusable launch vehicles.
LAPAN-TUBSAT is an Indonesian earth observation satellite and a technology demonstrator for control systems. It carries two Charge Coupled Device cameras with a ground resolution of 5 mt and 200 mt respectively.
It also carries an experiment for message store and forward system.
The Argentinian nanosatellite PEHUENSAT-1 will serve the educational, technological and scientific fields. It is intended to gain experience for designing more complex missions.
WisePandawhat are the pros and cons of S-band and L-band.
is L-band best for search, X-band for targeting and S-band a compromise ?
WisePandaany chance of a virginia boat named Hyman Rickover ?
does bill clinton stand any chance of getting a namesake other than a harbour tug ?
WisePandaMICA-radar guided version is dead certain for M2K after upgrade. there is little value in spending time/money integrating a 1994-vintage AAM like R77 when Russia is proposing two levels of improvements to R77. there’s ample number of Mig29S, Bison and Su30 to utilize the R77 stock until expiry.
for the WVR role, it will be tossup between python5, micaIR and perhaps the vympel K74mk2 thats claimed will equal the aim-9x performance and use IIR seeker.
WisePandaexcerpt from defencenews 1/2/2007
In mid-November, Navy officials issued a request for information to nine shipyards in France, Italy, Russia, South Korea, Spain and the United States, seeking a roughly $8 billion deal to buy one frigate and obtain licenses to produce six more in India.
The Indian yards that would build the new frigates include state-owned Mazagon Docks in Mumbai and Garden Reach Shipbuilders in Kolkata.
The officials, who were expecting preliminary responses by year’s end, intend to issue formal requests for proposals to a short list of shipyards by mid-2007. A contract could be signed by 2009, a Defence Ministry official said.
An Indian Navy official said the frigates could resemble the Italo-French Horizon Common New Generation Frigate, an air warfare ship.
Officials said the ships, intended to operate far from home for long periods, would be armed with the Indo-Israeli Barak-2 air defense system, the Indo-Russian BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, Advanced Light Helicopters, Kamov anti-submarine helicopters, rotary-wing unmanned aerial vehicles, 3-D multimode surveillance radar, and advanced weapon and navigational controls. The ships will become the first Indian frigates to be directly connected with a dedicated military satellite.
WisePandavisually my only two complaints are
– canards are huge compared to euros
– the ugly “sticks” supporting upper lip of the air intake.
overall, looks pretty good and order for 150+ AL31FN indicates PLAAF plans good number.
WisePandaxanadu, serious discussions are slated for January but it doesnt mean everything can be wrapped up and a deal signed during Putin visit. would need some rounds of hard thinking and bargaining before the workshare, definition and goals become clear. “5th gen” is a marketing term, thousands of items have to exactly defined and who is responsible.
meantime navy has asked HAL to modify a Aloutte-III into a rotary wing UAV. if it works they want 12 converted.
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