Do Horizon carried a mixture of Aster 15/30 or as the case in the British Type 45 will be equipped with missiles Aster 30 only?
Here the missiles of the Horizons are described:
The DCNS Sylver A50 vertical launch system within PAAMS, installed immediately forward of the two guns towards the bow deck, has 48 cells for both the Aster 15 and Aster 30 missiles. The Sylver launcher ensures that each round is aligned to within 1mrad. The maximum rate of fire is up to six rounds a second.
The Aster missile carries an inertial computer with datalink and an active J-band Doppler radar seeker. Aster 30 has a range of 100km, Aster 15 a range of 30km. The missile has manoeuvrability of up to 62g, achieved through the use of the PIF/PAF guidance system.
Do you have also similar photos of Andrea Doria, Forbin and Chevalier Paul?
I found some photos here:
http://www.alabordache.fr/marine/espacemarine/marine/fregate_rang_1/forbin/photo.php
http://www.netmarine.net/bat/fregates/forbin/photos.htm
http://www.netmarine.net/bat/fregates/chevalierpaul/photos.htm
Delphis Models announced a 1/700 kit of the Italian ships:
http://www.delphismodels.it/index_e.asp
http://www.delphismodels.it/pages/e_dettaglio.asp?ID_prodotto=78
It’s not true.
Horizon and T45 have the same 3D long distance radar, the Thales S1850.
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The only remaining reason would therefore subsidisation of the respective arms industries? British radar for British ships?
Horizon/Type45 are similar in the design of the hull.
the main differences is the propulsion system, active radar for T45 (british Sampson) and passive radar for Horizon (Italian Empar) and other.
The combat system is the same (PAAMS).
I read on wikipedia that the differences in the radar fit is due to the mission parameters: the French and Italian ships should operate under the cover of the land based aircraft, whereas the British ships should operate independently. But is this true?! The French and Italian Navy have actually better fighter aircraft on their carriers and they have also plans to build bigger carriers – the last is also true for the Royal Navy.
Good photos. Thank you.
Does someone has more information about this ships? Especially about the differences compared with the British type 45 Daring class?
Are the three 7,62 cm guns to be used as CIWS?
Here you can find a drawing of the different loads of a Mk 41. VLS:
http://navy-matters.beedall.com/images/vls.jpg
http://navy-matters.beedall.com/daring1-3.htm
That’s the reason I want to build it at 1/700 scale, and for that I need all the schemes, plans, photos and data I could possibly gater.
It is possible to built the two first Chinese Soveremennys in 1/700 – Hangzhou and Fuzhou – with the new Dragon kit. This kits also includes the Chinese pennant numbers.
You need for a conversion to the new Taizhou perhaps Trumpeter’s kit of the Kirov class, because it includes nice Kashtans-CIWS (if you buy Kirov or Frunce, you can still built her).
Dou you have good drawings of the Taizhou which shows the new after superstructure?
Is this the planned upraged Kongo class or a new class all together?
It’s a modified Kongo class with hangars for helicopters and a new mast.
seems to have a ciws gun fore n aft -vs- RAM + gun in KDX3. more details on its armament would be great.
In Weyer Warships of the World – Fleet Handbook 2005/2007 there is written, that Atago will have 1 12,7 cm, 2 Phalanx, 3 2 cm, 8 Harpoon, 2 VLS with SM-2 III B, 6 32,4 cm torpedo tubes and helicopters.
There are a lot of photos of the Atago:
http://www1.linkclub.or.jp/~chi-tan/14ddg.html
and of her sister:
http://www1.linkclub.or.jp/~chi-tan/15ddg.html
Any idea what time it’s going to be launched?
At approximately 14:25 today (1.2.2006). Look here:
http://www.type45.com/
Well people at the Chinese forums keep saying 137 is Taizhou, I also thought it was Fuzhou, but apparently no… Maybe a name change?
Perhaps it is similar to the second ship of the Langzhou class!? First I read everywhere that she was named Xining, but yet I found mostly Haikou.
Or someone tries to puzzle the public about the exact names or numbers of the Chinese Sovremenny class destroyers!?
I don’t know, but I do suppose that they had to give at least a name to the helicopter to come to the rescue, I suppose they didn’t say: “It’s the one with the big 138 on the side” And as it was a Dutch helicopter and the Newsletter is made by a Dutch person, I do think he might have heard that name from the Dutch Navy?
Perhaps someone does not understand the name correctly? It is not so easy to remember the exact spelling, if one hears the chinese words from a native speaker.
Keito indeed sounds rather Japanese, on the other hand, I didn’t find any Keito in the Japanese navy, I first thought they might have had 138 with the name Keito in their inventory, but it isn’t there…
My main argument is that Keito is no known Chinese city, whereas the other Chinese destroyers are named after cities.
Yes it is, but Taizhou is apparently the name of 137. This picture comes from one of the newsletters I subscribe to, in a later letter, two days later, they put the name Keito, together with an article on the helicopter operation.
137 is Fuzhou. It’s the former Russian Vedumcivyji, which was bought unfinished by China in 1997. I know no sources, which state, that the Project 956E destroyer has the name Taizhou. The name of the Project 956E destroyers are Hangzhou (136) and Fuzhou (137) (e.g. Weyer’s Warships of the World 2005/2007).
Hangzhou, Fuzhou, Taizhou, Langzhou, Guangzhou, Harbin, Qingdao, Shenzhen and Wuhan are all names of Chinese cities. Therefore at least the new Chinese destroyers are named of cities. But where is Keito? For me this sound Japanese – not Chinese.
But there is one point, which would be an argument for you: what is the name of the second Project 052C destroyer? Haikou – as most sources state – or Xining (e.h. Weyer’s). But again both Haikou and Xining are Chinese cities.
138 is called Keito
Hmm, on the photo the name is Taizhou!?
HMS Euryalus at Gallipoli? Hmm, the armoured cruiser HMS Euryalus of the Cressy class was in the Mediterrean 1915-1916. She had a Battle Honour for the Dardanelles 1915.
Euryalus was built in 1899-1904 by Vickers, Barrow. She was used in the First World War in the North Sea and for the protection of Atlantic convoys in 1914. Then she was at the Dardanelles. Afterwards she was employed in the East Indies as Flagship. A concersion to a Minelayer in Hong Kong was abandoned in 1918 and she was sold in 1920. Euryalus was broken up in Germany.
Euryalus was 143,9 m long, 21,2 m wide and had a displacement of 12 000 ts. She had two 23,4 cm, twelve 15,2 cm, twelve 7,62 cm and three 4,7 cm guns and two 45,7 cm torpedo tubes.
Photos are here:
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/images/hmseuryalus2.jpg
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/images/hmseuryalus.jpg