Get a grip Alexz33, this is a reasonable discussion about the whys and wherefores of a dreadful act – attacking the person making one element of the argument adds no value at all.

IMHO we are seeing freedom fighters vs freedom fighters. There are those who feel (and in many cases are) oppressed vs those whose ideology is that all should live under the umbrella of “democratic” freedom. The fight will continue until the “oppressed” feel they have come out from under that oppression. And given both sides believe they are working to this end … well.

What realy got me upset was this statment.
“The British learned that if you leave well alone you will not be bothered.
You may not like what other people do but that is their part of the world, let them get on with it for if you prevoke them you will face a long and drawn out struggle.”

Many countries (even muslim) that totaly opposed the war were hit by
terrorist acts like the one in London and by the same organization. Furtermore the terrorist are NOT Iraqis or Afghani nationals.
If one is upset With the war being conducted without the support of the UN then he/she will have to explain why NATO including Germany and France had no problems bombing Serbia without an UN approval?

Get a grip Alexz33, this is a reasonable discussion about the whys and wherefores of a dreadful act – attacking the person making one element of the argument adds no value at all.

IMHO we are seeing freedom fighters vs freedom fighters. There are those who feel (and in many cases are) oppressed vs those whose ideology is that all should live under the umbrella of “democratic” freedom. The fight will continue until the “oppressed” feel they have come out from under that oppression. And given both sides believe they are working to this end … well.

Sorry if i upset anyone,. 😮
i sort of lost it when i saw people making up excusesfor mass murderers and igonering the victims.
PS.
I got nothing against the moderators so i don’t know why they think
i offended them (and if i did then i apologise)?

Alexz33 – Your opinion is as valuable as anyone else’s, but in this Forum you are asked to express it without insulting other Forum members or attacking the Moderators.

Thank You

Grey Area
Moderator

I am truly incensed! Do they actually think they have managed to change anyone’s mind for the better towards their cause?

Read the openening thread.
Look at Spain and their surrender after the Madrid bombing.
The Phillipins Pulled out of Iraq when a hostage was threatened.
There’s scores left wing organizations and Media outlets that will
blame Blair for what happened as soon as British anger subsides and
will shift blame from the terrorists to the victims.

It’s always good to known there are muslims (the majority of which) oppose
acts like this. Sadly i don’t think it’s the end for the bombing campaign in
Britain.

A production line can cost hundreads of millions. You can get a few used ones
from Russia for a case of Vodka.

Child of time – Deep Purple (Ritchie Blackmore)
Free bird – Lynard Skynard

I am guessing either over Iran or Pakistan….those are the only two countries (maybe Syria), where it makes sense deploy this plane……If its over Pakistan, then no biggie….just like any loyal proxy, they would be more then happy to hand over the wreckage/remains of the plane/pilot….Iran though could be problematic….

South-West asia is a term for the middle east. If they won’t say where it
crushed then we can assume it’s unfriendly mid eastern country.