Just an FYI
Somalia is still technically at war with Israel since 1967.

F-20A all the way but then again i am bias :D. The Fulcrum has the IRST to its advantage. F-20 has more modern cockpit layout, MiG-29 has high workload cockpit though the soviet pilots are probably well adapted to such designs.

The F-20 is also a small target very hard to spot. MiG-29 got smoky engines then. I give the Mig the edge in close in missile combat because of the Archer and HMS.

I readi in the Israeli air force magazine many years ago that The “smoky engines” effect was done purposely (adding something to the jet fuel) to
fool the west and the soviets made sure all can see the smoke in
international air shows.
In Dog fights vs the Israeli air force (in the Negev) the Mig had better
performance then the F-15 and F-16 and a better thrust/weight ratio
the the F-15. The Winner of a F-20 Vs Mig would be the better trainned
, more expirienced pilot and the one with the better evionic systems.

If the Americans tought of a bomb to change a soldier’s sexual preferance then why not change the weather?

As usuall this is cheesy song contest. I hated the Israeli song this year but every time Shiri Maimon is on the Israeli TV i can’t turn away. Can anyone tell
me why?

Any plans for an invasion of Israel ? I mean surely they are also not allowed to have nukes.

The policy to Iran is seriously wrong imho. Iran is probably the country in the whole area with the popualtion having the most postive view of america.

True, but the governing regime isn’t. And it’s this regime that about to go nuclear, not the US loving population.

That has nothing to do with conspiracy theories, but a lot with history.
History is not intrested in politics or personal intrests.
Since the 60s I have learned over a dozen Israeli versions about the course of the events from 8th June 1967. So it is still intresting to learn which person was reponsible for that fatefull order.

I don’t know who he was but with the info he had at the time I would have done exactly the same.

It showed awfull wrong in the aftermath and creates still a credibility problem by cover it up much longer.
I call it huzpe again.

Most of my posts come from the US inquery which found both Israel andthe US responisible, a fact you seem to ignore. Are the NSA recording of the Israeli pilots not being aware it’s a US ship also a huzpa?

The USA and every other non-combatant can travel international waters without notifying someone.

You can also run naked strap with a US flag on Haifa street in Baghdad,
that doesn’t say the US navy operates recklessly or would put it’s sailors in
harm.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff investigated the communications failure and noted that the Chief of Naval Operations expressed concern about the prudence of sending the Liberty so close to the area of hostilities and four messages were subsequently sent instructing the ship to move farther away from the area of hostilities. The JCS report said the messages were never received because of “a combination of (1) human error, (2) high volume of communications traffic, and (3) lack of appreciation of sense of urgency regarding the movement of the Liberty.” The report also included a copy of a flash cable sent immediately after the attack, which reported that Israel had “erroneously” attacked the Liberty, that IDF helicopters were in rescue operations, and that Israel had sent “abject apologies” and requested information on any other U.S. ships near the war zone.

At least when the USA gave their silent consent for the Sinai-attack. You missed the point, that Russian advisers were in Port Said and the SU had annoucened on May 23 (1967) that every aggression by Israel upon any Arab State would be viewed as attack upon the SU. Why to ask the draw-back of the USS Liberty this in mind and a ceasefire imminent?! )

Russian advisers? May 23 1967? this mish mash of nonsense has nothing
to do with the Liberty incident or with anything relevent.

Even in a war-zone a neutral ship can not be attacked without being a real threat.

Really sherlock? is that why the US troops blast a car with an Italian
secret service agent and a female hostage?

The Egyptians were much more clever about that, when they announced on 6th October 1973 two war-zones with coordinates in the Medit. and Red Sea. Maybe they learned from that Israeli failure to do the same in 1967.

Or maybe the US learned that sending a boat in to the heart of a warzone is not such a great idea.

In the 60s and 70s I was a strong defender of the Israeli versions about the USS Liberty incident. I was in El Arish, Ashdod and Haifa. A little bit irritated about the bad eyes of that former sailors and pilots, but still a strong believer not to weaken Israels political position by asking too much questions about that incident. Till the days, when I visited a naval base and got the opportunities viewing ships from a fast plane and MBTs. That shattered my thrust into the Israeli version of the course of events from 8th June 1967.
Everyone can try it out, what are the visibilities in a clear day and calm sea-state are, even without binocullars. By the way, the same can be done at Ashdod or Haifa. Just to try out, what to see and what not to see. Some distances from the Israeli version. The Liberty-crew was able to identify the much smaller MBT-hull-number.

14:40 MBTs opened fire with guns first.
Closing in to a range of 1000 yards or 900 metre T-203 opened up with its heavy 0.5 MGs
14:42 T-206 attacked with torpedos from 1000 yards or 900 metre. The second was aimed from a sharp angle at 550 yards or 500 metre – both missed.
14:44 T-203 attacked from 2000 yards or 1800 metre at 90°. One Torpedo veered off track, but the left one struck.
T-204 attacked from 1500 yards or 1350 metre. A single Torpedo raced off-track. (Israeli version from 1984)

Did the Liberty fired at the Israeli boats? Did they allow Israeli medics to treat the wounded?

There are audio recordings (Israeli) translations of the attack posted on the NSA site
anything from the pilots not being able to identidfyi the nationality of the ship to the following Israeli attempts to rescue the sailors are there (without SENS insightfull comments).

http://www.nsa.gov/liberty/index.cfm