I would support the setting up of a dedicated airshows forum and the concept of one thread for photos of a show and another for text relating to it. Seems to me to be logical and qould enable the “historic” aviation aspects of this forum to be uncluttered by airshow ephemera which, though newsworthy is forgooten in a week or so. Sic transit gloria mundi………………!!!
Cheers,
Trapper 69
Wow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and it is only 10 miles from home. Bet his boss would have thrown a wobbler IF he had seen it.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
MOTF,
I stand corrected and my abject apologies to the nerds who designed the software. However I think I might have popped in a bit of extra code to initiate a command ejection when the safety parameters were going to be eroded to the extent evident in the excellent photography on view in this and other websites. Food for thought perhaps………?????????
It reminds me of that doyen of the ancient helicopter world, Elfan Ap Rees, whose camera just happened to be ready and pointing in the right direction to record my mid-air collision at that Weston super Mare display back in 1972. He made a mint out of it as the photo was reproduced in the printed media all over the world. I got slight concussion thanks solely to an ex-RAF bonedome that smashed rather than my skull.
Whatever the cause, the incident report would make essential reading for any display pilot, service or civil. I doubt if it will ever emerge into the semi-public domain.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
A software problem, minor or otherwise, is absolutely no excuse acceptable to me. In the civil display world in the UK we grant display authorisations to pilots, not software engineers.
I suppose I am a bit of a luddite in that my whole 51 years as a pilot have relied on rods and cables to connect my brain to the control surfaces through hands and feet. However the F16 has been a factor in UK airshows for probably a couple of decades and they have not had problems.
Is it a couple of years too soon to be displaying the Typhoon in public if such a situation can arise..?? Have they got all the glitches out..?? Comments appreciated.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
Lucky indeed. Having been the senior CAA airshow trapper for 14 years until 1998 that is the sort of situation where the intervention of a FDSC is absolutely vital. I do not care what colour the “grow bag” is, that pilot would have been in no fit state to continue with his “validation” without a period on the ground for rest and serious reflection.
For similar situations over past decades in airshows the world over I can recommend reading “Zero Error Margin” by Des Barker. An experienced South African fast jet display pilot who has done a fantastic job in researching airshow accidents in all categories of aircraft. It should be mandatory reading for ALL display pilots, service or civil.
Only the guys laundry person will know the real truth of that one, either that or he is one dense individual. We all make errors and I have made more than most over 50 years in airshows to the extent of a surplus of two in takeoffs versus landings in displays. I share one personal asset with that Typhoon pilot; we are both very lucky people……………………………!!
Cheers,
Trapper 69
I have rarely enjoyed an airshow more having been flying in them since 1955 – 50 years ago. A golden day indeed.
Glorious photography – thanks a million for sharing your talents.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
Jules,
Hooligan……………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You probably frightened the s**t out of the A-rab so much he was left with a burning hatred of all things western and founded Hamas, the Taliban and Al Quaeda……………………and now look where we are. Or perhaps he is now head of ICAO and responsible for the turgid mass of regulations that apply internationally. Especially the ones on low flying.
Cheers,
Trapper 69 (alias Sheik Yasser Verifat)
I really cannot weigh up some of those who post here. It is my 50th year as an airshow pilot with over 2,300 public display performances. I have but rarely enjoyed a weekend such as all of us have just had at Duxford despite only piloting my Citroen ZX to and from home.
Sheer utter hedonism, wallowing in nostalgic, historic, almost all military and mainly WW2 aeroplanes. No Harvards or other trainers, no helicopters and no jets. Bliss – for me and so many others who share my taste in aviation. I envied the undoubted skills of all the pilots who flew and have the utmost admiration for the organising team who really laid on an absolute feast for our eyes..
I even got a slot to plug Sally B’s liability insurance problems with Sean Maffett whose commentary along with that of Bernard Chabbert was superb. Not only that but on Sunday afternoon I was highjacked by the BBC Radio Cambridgeshire to assist the reporter in giving a live broadcast on two 15 minutes sessions before and after the London flypast as the aircraft took off and recovered to Duxford. A memorable occasion indeed.
Perhaps for me as one who acts as the Flying Display Director at quite a few shows the most memorable point of both days was at the Sunday briefing. At the end of the main brief the Duxford airfield manager spoke. I will paraphrase his words as I recall them – “Ladies and gentlemen, out there is an enormous stage with a superb blue, white and multi hued sky and land scape. You are the actors on that stage but it is a performance with no stars, only a 100% supporting cast. The aircraft are indeed the stars.” It reinforced the vital need on such occasions for those pilots present to set aside a natural desire to personally shine above others.
There is always the occasional exception. The incomparable Ray Hanna there for Saturday only and that illustrious pair of American Mustang drivers who put shivers down my spine on both days for their sheer unadulterated brilliance. These closely followed by an Anglo French pair of pilots in the Corsairs. Utter magic. Gentlemen all, and Anna, my admiration and thanks for a memorable weekend.
Lastly to my thanks to Stephen Grey whose dreams came true with the Fighter Collection and the concept of Flying Legends as it has matured and grown over the years. Also to Peter Kynsey whose masterful choreography of the aerial ballet was worthy of Nureyev at his very best. On Sunday both of them were indeed “Jokers” wild.
My grateful thanks to all and especially to the vast throng of good natured folk who came in their droves to watch the spectacle. Without you there would be no airshows.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
It might be most useful if those that post to this development in the thread could say whether or not they are –
1. Now PFA members
2. Were PFA members in the past
3. Are not PFA members and never have been
4. Did they attend FlyingForFun in 2005
This would make the feedback more capable of meaningful analysis and subsequent presentation to those in the PFA with the power to change things.
Your cooperation would be much appreciated.
Kind regards,
Trapper 69
Janie,
At the risk of banishment into outer darkness by the presently email deprived PFA, here is the information you have requested.
AEROEXPO 2006 will be at Booker on 23/25 June 2006. Organised by Paddy Casey who is a longtime GA exhibition organiser of huge repute from his North Weald days and before that at Biggin and West Malling. Admission 5 GBP with voucher and, presumably, 15 GBP without. Online registration at http://www.expo.aero.
I must protest at them nicking the EXPO name from the Barnstormers Flying Circus whose combined model/full size exhibitions and airshows at Sywell/Leicester and Cranfield are of fond memory.
The choice of date will terminate virtually any chance of the PFA having any worthwhile aviation exhibitors other than those specifically aimed at the homebuilder market. This does assume the PFA stick to their traditional date of the first weekend in July. To have a major new show a week ahead of the PFA event would stop the latter in its tracks in terms of exhibitor revenues.
I really wonder what will happen? No doubt there will be innumerable posts on the subject. What do you think – dispassionately please.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
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Moggy,
My chance to have a twosome with Sean Maffett at Duxford was an effective way to get the point over on the EU liability insurance problems for the heavier warbirds and other heritage aircraft. Glad you thought it worked. We shall see.
There was always a queue waiting to sign the petition on the “Sally B” stand at the western end of the market line. So many airshow afficionados really do care and want to play their part in getting the imposition removed as soon as is humanly possible.
What a fantabulous Legends. Burnt to a frazzle and still grinning like a cheshire cat..!!! Cocoa is quite a soporific so I am off to my overdue bed. Good night folks.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
Well there are certainly entrenched views here on both sides. The PFA is my chosen organisation since I operated an aircraft on a PtoF administered by the PFA and I learned to fly, at 1.25 GBP per hour, in a PFA co-ownership group Tiger Moth in 1957.
As I have said before the PFA is run by a small full time staff on both the engineering and admin sides with a democratically elected Executive Committee. The elections for that committee are very shortly to take place so if anyone fancies their chances why not get yourself proposed and seconded and let the process take its course according to the votes you get. Change, and indeed any improvement, that you feel needed can only result from within, not without. No matter what the thread posts may say.
An alternative organisation holding the CAA approvals the PFA has does not exist, though the BMAA does have similar approvals in the case of production microlights and some homebuilt varieties.
My own wish is that aviation folk would realise just what a gem of an organisation the PFA actually is in terms of promoting low cost flying for its members. As things stand, I for one could not do without it.
A great day at Duxford though the weather took a while to clear up. Another tomorrow. Sorry, later today. Back to finishing my cocoa. Good noght folks !
Cheers,
Trapper 69
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Trinny,
I did and at 0703 I have had a great cup of coffee and am leaving home for Duxford and a day in the sheer hedonism that is the warbird scene. Will probably meet up with some great aviation folk there including many forum members.
Perhaps one final blast of 20 mm. How about renaming the PFA the “Pre-eminant Flying Association” or am I banging the drum of praise too much……..!!!
Enjoy your morning cup of Earl Grey.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
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Trinny,
It is late and having had my cocoa I am off to my bed ready for an early start for Duxford and Flying Legends.
My insider involvement with the PFA only stems from being asked by them to write papers advocating change in the NPPL requirements in terms of PPL instructor ratings, training from unlicensed aerodromes and training in permit to fly aeroplanes. All designed to reduce the cost and complexity of obtaining an NPPL. Another aspect is being their representative on the CAA Light Aviation Airport working group. This is aimed at a complete reappraisal of the need for licensed aerodromes for General Aviation whether for training or for public transport. Watch this space.
I have over the last 12 months or so also been actively involved in opposing a large number of proposals by the CAA, EASA, the EU and Eurocontrol not to mention our own DfT. My efforts in these areas, by using all the GA oriented website forums, have exhorted all of us as “stakeholders” to respond to those who would oppress us and our chosen recreational and sporting aviation activity by again increasing both complexity and cost. I have been able to express the dire intentions of those agencies in terms most folk might understand while avoiding as far as possible exaggeration of the situation.
I am passionate about GA as, I do believe, you are. We must see how the GA Alliance gets on and I was so pleased at its formation since internicene sniping, if not strife, had been the case for decades. Yes, as an ex-CAA Flight Standards Officer in GAD I can confirm that often it was a case of “divide and rule…..!!!”, but that was not the fault of the CAA. The blame lies at the door of the multitudinous GA representative bodies who did, for years, see each other as a threat, not as fellow enthusiasts with but slightly different emphasis. Hopefully the lesson has now been learned in the face of such oppression never seen before to my own knowledge in over 50 years.
My website is by no means a CV. Is is designed to give interested persons, especially those who book airshow acts, a taste of what they might expect from myself and the Skybolt. Pure advertising…………….but surely that is the same for any personal CV. It is designed to get you a job or at least an invitation to interview. So is my website, and it works.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
Trinny,
Why on earth do you not put your points to the PFA directly.
The FlyingForFun concept is a good one but it did not reach out to attract anywhere near the number expected from the public. One reason was the rotten weather from Thursday to Sunday morning and the other the failure of the professional organiser to achieve his targets in many areas. He tried but in many ways failed. One learns from such an experience.
As we saw from the decision to cancel the North Weald event the ability of our general aviation industry to support multiple shows such as Telford and Earls Court along with FFF’05 at Kemble is limited and we are in the market place along with the others. In Europe the Friedrichshafen show has grown beyond recognition and is probably the premier general aviation market place on this side of the Atlantic. We shall see how the BMAA/BHPA joint event manages the shift this year from Telford to the NEC. The new show planned for Wycombe Air Park next year will be another potential triumph. or possibly tragedy, though with Paddy at the reins I favour the former. A true professional trade show organiser indeed. I do sincerely wish him and his associates well. An old mate from way back.
Finally I note your reluctance to reveal your own level of experience in GA. So be it. However, proven experience over five decades or so leads to enhanced credibility.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
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PS – Is Style the guy who picks up the tab for your fashion as well as your flying…??
PPS – Sorry, I do have a rather bizarre sense of humour. My apologies….??