Actually, the original concept for the LCS was ‘just’ 500-600 tons. But…the demand for LCS to self deploy & to operate at least one SH-60 (among other things) caused the size to grow considerably.
No, it wasn’t.
You are talking about “Streetfighter”, which was viewed much like a modern motor torpedo boat *. It was intended for “presence” missions, like maritime interdiction and sanctions enforcement missions (enforcing shipping embargoes, anti-smuggling, etc). And yes, it was supposed to be transported to its area of operations, and yes, it had been sometimes referred to as “littoral combat ship”… just like a 9,000 ton Prince William class CVE and a 45,000 ton Midway class CVB were both called “aircraft carriers” during WW2.
There are similarities, to be sure, but the current LCS is a very different design, one intended to perform a number of roles Streetfighter was never planned for, like mine-sweeping/clearance and ASW.
* Fairmile D MTB (common RN MTB of WW2) – 102 tons
“U/V” class DD (common RN destroyer of WW2) – 2,058 tons
Streetfighter – ~550 tons
Flight IIA Burke-class destroyer – 9,200 tons
ratios:
MTB : Streetfighter = 1:5.4
“U/V” : Burke = 1:4.5
comparable class growth rate
Exactly.
That’s why they are undergoing a modernization, which includes new avionics & cockpit instrumentation.
Which is why this pic is available… soon none of them will have this layout.
Live firing tests are scheduled to start this summer at NAS China Lake. This will involve the first F-35 aircraft, called AA-1, and subject the jet to different caliber weapons to evaluate its toughness and survivability. The jet will not be flyworthy after this.
Oh, really? :rolleyes:
[url]http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/05/14/ga…-18-multiyear/%5Burl]
Another step to give the Navy a viable option if the F-35C cannot correct its overweight / underpowered problems.
What are you talking about? please provide a link describing how the F-35 is underpowered or over weight or I will consider this trolling.
Swat fixed the F-35 weight issues.
Don’t you know that every model of the F-35 is so overweight & underpowered that it can barely stagger off the ground?
And so un-maneuverable that it can be out-flown by a B747?
At least to the religiously anti-F-35 crowd… who have faith* it will fail.
There is little to no evidence for ~90% of the claims of Bill Sweetman^ & his acolytes, but they have faith!
* faith: the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen**.
** not in any test data or factual documents, at least.
^ Bill Sweetman has been pulled from F-35-related issues because the staff of AvWeek realized that not only was he not objective/impartial, he has gone so far as to distort facts, events, & timelines to support his blind hatred for the F-35… and even fabricated “evidence” in his crusade to slay the demonic device called “Lightning II”.
(sarcasm & religious metaphor intentional)
I like this shot:
Video of Fa-223 in flight & lifting sling loads:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE8M1aQNgos
Video of Fl-282 in flight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdYPQLvuJh8&feature=related
The news articles on the proposal specifically stated that SAAB had made the proposal to India.
While India IS developing Tejas, they want to keep options open in case there is a failure of that program that causes its cancellation.
IF Brazil chooses Gripen, then Sea Gripen can be an option down the road for them as well.
My post #12 on the first page of this very thread:
http://www.stratpost.com/saab-offers-naval-gripen-to-india
Saab offers naval Gripen to India
Monday, December 28, 2009
By Saurabh JoshiSaab AB, the Swedish defense major, has received a Request For Information (RFI) from the Indian Navy for the supply of carrier-borne fighter aircraft. The company, which received the RFI earlier this month, is pitching a little-known naval variant of its Gripen NG fighter, called the Sea Gripen. Saab is already bidding for the 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender of the Indian Air Force (IAF), for which it has offered an advanced version of the Gripen NG, called the Gripen IN.
With all the brain power invested in these technologies I’m surprised nobody has came up with a ramped monorail launch that takes place off the main deck and places the planes on a climb at release. Granted you would want the plane to sit on a dolly that transverses the monorail. Once the plane is attached to the monorail’s dolly you could withdraw the landing gear and eliminate that much extra drag. All that deck space taken up for launching CTOL fighters seems wasteful.
The Germans & Italians tried that with Graf Zeppelin and Aquila back in 1940-43.
No one else thinks its a good idea, despite the USN & RN studying Aquila & the Soviets studying GZ.
In Europe in the early 1970s, the USAFE was worried more about Warsaw Pact bombers than WP fighters… therefore the AIM-4D could still be viable for intercepting non-fighters.
Except that that entire equipment package is contrary to what the LCS is designed for.
LCS is NOT a replacement for the FFG-7 class.
It is not a deep-water ASW ship (your towed array is for deep-water missions), nor an area-defense AAW ship (Aster30); nor is it a fire-support/land attack ship (127mm gun).
It IS a fast-response (45 knots), shallow-water multi-purpose hull with basic self-defense weapons (RAM, 57mm gun)… designed for a set of easily-replaced modules (littoral ASW, mine clearance, special ops, etc), to reduce the cost of having several different ship designs by allowing the same base ship to be built, then outfitted with a module.
The USN does need something like this frigate… for anti-piracy ops, protection of amphib groups, and other “small escort” missions.
This would reduce the number of more-expensive DDG-51/DDG-1000 hulls needed, allowing those ships to focus on “big escort” roles.
And no, BSG-75… we are not as uneducated as you seem to think.
:rolleyes:
Hollyweird is rather unique in that regard… they are almost as bad as Brits “knowledge” of America & Americans.
It appears that some here have had their sense of humor removed.
The article cited in the OP (included pic) seems to be claiming that P-51Ds (the bubble-canopy version which first flew in late 1943) fought in the Battle of Britain (late 1940, some 18 months before the combat debut of the first P-51s of any type).
In the spirit of that historical distortion, several posters then offered their own “popular history distortions”, trying to see if they could mangle facts as badly as the article that started this thread.
Satire, what? 😉
Visions of Hannah Reitsch fluttering around in an arena:o
FW-61.
Designed by Henrich Focke, who went on to found the Focke-Achgelis company in 1937 (after being removed from Focke-Wulf in 1936 by the Nazi regime).

Oik… while the thread IS about ex-Varyag, starting with post #217 the discussion split into also discussing the Russian Kuznetsov (Varyag’s “sister ship”).
It is the recently-announced modernization of Kuznetsov that we are discussing in relation to removal of the Shipwreck missiles & enlargement of the aircraft hangar (see post # 221).
Sorry for the confusion.
Which makes my snippy remark inappropriate as well. I apologise.
No… the hydrogen is produced on land (at least for current subs)… it is just that ethanol requires far more (and more expensive) production/preparation facilities… including either significant amounts of farmland to produce the plant sugars needed to ferment into the ethanol, or a large supply of petroleum to be refined, as ethanol intended for industrial use is also produced from by-products of petroleum refining. equipment, etc.
Hydrogen can be produced in a relatively small plant that uses a river as its materials source.
Economics is a major difference… as well as the resource base. Farmland set aside for ethanol production is not available for food production, and we all know about the economic/political problems with petroleum (oil).
Funny, according to reports, the Russians have done exactly that (converted other spaces to enlarge the aircraft hangar) on ex-Gorshkov.
I guess they are morons who don’t understand carriers… despite having built the carriers in question.
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20100406/158454665.html
The ship’s 3M45 P-700 Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) anti-ship cruise-missile launchers will be dismantled, and her internal layout changed. Consequently, the hangar area will be expanded to 4,500-5,000 sq. m. for storing additional fixed-wing aircraft.
Well, actor Michael Dorn (formerly owned & flew an F-86 Sabre & a Rockwell Sabreliner) is currently looking at buying & restoring to flight an F-8… he wants to fly it in “Heritage Flight” shows.