Fedaykins’ quite correct. The civillian Dept of the Navy oversees both but…
“the two branches have their own separate and distinct Chain of Command – the Secretary of the Navy oversees the two, but the Navy is headed by the Chief of Naval Operations, while the Marines are commanded by the Commandant of the Marine Corps. Both officers are normally 4-star ranks.”
….they are sister services but the USMC is not subordinate to the Chief of Naval Operations in any operational sense.
As a former Marine (6/81-6/89) I dispute that they are as separate as you think.
As an example, NavAir controls both Marine and Naval Aviation… in fact, Marine Aviation is considered for all but immediate operational purposes to be a branch of Naval Aviation… not only does NavAir set all standards, control all training, and govern the development, operation, and maintenance of all Marine aircraft, it also “owns” all aircraft operated by the USN and USMC.
Marine and Navy squadrons flying aircraft of the same model/block can (and regularly do) find themselves flying airframes that were recently assigned to a squadron in the other service.
There are many other areas in which there is one department that handles the same function for both the USN & the USMC… training commands, supply & maintenance facilities, and so on.
A better description would be a pair of Siamese twins sharing some vital systems… they are individuals, but they are also both part of one entity.
As I recall the Enterprise was transiting the Med at the time that Libya was kicking off, so the US seems to have decided that a CVN was not required, after NATO started enforcing the UN resolution.
I am not sure what the Enterprise would have been tasked to do if the Libyan air defences had not been basically neutralised by the cruise missile assault and NATO air forces.
No… at the time Libya kicked off, “Big E” was in the North Arabian Sea (south of Iran). She was moved into the Red Sea as a precaution (in red below), in case she was needed to provide additional air cover if the “no fly zone” had been contested by Libya. When nothing happened, and the various NATO air forces (including CdG and her Rafales) were in place and operating, she was sent back to the North Arabian Sea.
current locations of all USN CVNs
back record of CVN-65 locations
13Jan2011, departed Norfolk to the 5th and 6th fleet areas of operations, in support of maritime security operations.
13Jan-19Jan2011, Lant
20Jan2011, entered the 6th Fleet Area of Responsibility (AOR)
20Jan-25Jan2011, Lant
26Jan-29Jan2011, Lisbon, Portugal
30Jan2011, Lant
31Jan2011, passed through the Strait of Gibraltar
01Feb-07Feb2011, Med
08Feb-10Feb2011, Marmaris, Turkey
11Feb-14Feb2011, Med
15Feb2011, transited the Suez Canal and entered the 5th Fleet AOR
15Feb-17Feb2011, Red Sea
18Feb2011, transited the Strait of Bab el Mandeb and entered the Gulf of Aden
19Feb-01Mar2011, North Arabian Sea
02Mar-22Mar2011, Red Sea
23Mar-06Jun2011, Arabian Sea
07Jun-20Jun2011, Gulf of Aden
21Jun2011, transited the Strait of Bab el Mandeb and entered the Red Sea
21Jun-23Jun2011, Red Sea
24Jun2011, transited the Suez Canal and entered the Med
25Jun2011, Souda Bay, Crete, Greece
26Jun-27Jun2011, Med
28Jun-01Jul2011, Palma de Mallorca, Spain
02Jul-03Jul2011, Med
04Jul-12Jul2011, Lant
13Jul2011, Mayport
14Jul2011, Lant
15Jul2011, returned to Norfolk
All of which would have to come across large stretches of water to endanger Australian territories, facilities, etc… perfect conditions for AWACS-controlled intercepts in favorable situations.
Any time the RAAF is elsewhere it would almost certainly have allies… usually the US.
The only possible exception would be a Timor-type repeat.
£500m jump jets may melt the decks of aircraft carriers: Latest MoD plan shambles
Not a chance…
The UK will be using SRVL which means that the exhaust will only be touching any one spot on the deck for only a microsecond as the landing speed is ~100kph.
The Mirror is repeating false crap that has been debunked for over a year.
F-35B does not use afterburner in landing… the trials aboard Wasp involved true vertical landings on a flight deck with normal non-skid coating, and no damage was done.
Then, when afterburner was used in rolling take-offs, no damage was done to the non-skid there, either.
But we know that many journos have no regard for the truth when they have an agenda to push… if they even bother to learn what the truth is to start with.
Faceborg.
I’m puzzled too, as there is no such thing as ‘Arabian Gulf’… 😀
Gamal Abdel Nasser would disagree (if he weren’t dead).
As Egyptian President, Gamal Nasser repeatedly used “Arabian Gulf” instead of “Persian Gulf” in an apparent attempt to awaken “Pan-Arab” political feelings in the Middle East.
As recognized by the United States Board on Geographic names, the name of the body of water that lies between Iran and the Arab states of the Gulf Cooperation Council is the Persian Gulf. For political reasons, Arabs often refer to it as the Arab or Arabian Gulf.
In recent years, due to increased cooperation with Arab states of the Persian Gulf, various branches of the U.S. armed forces have issued directives to their members to use the “Arabian Gulf” when operating in the area (“Persian Gulf” is still used in official publications and websites), partially to follow local conventions, or simply to follow local laws that ban the use of “Persian Gulf”, e.g. in the United Arab Emirates.
“Arabian Gulf” also appears as the name of what we now call the “Red Sea”, in geographical works from ancient times to the 19th century.
Previous threads on Keypub: Air-drop jeeps in 1945?
Thread has a few nice pics.
Lancaster with Underslung Armoured Car
Includes a link with pics of the Weasel/Douglas C-54 Skymaster trials.
Flight Global article on the Hastings/Jeep combo: 1952 – 0460.PDF
Previous page
And a pic, just for the Halifax.

‘Jet’ is a bit of a misnomer – although it is a turboprop.
Ken
The original term for an aircraft equipped with turboprops was “prop-jet”, since all a turboprop engine is is a turbojet with an extra-large accessory gearbox spinning a prop. :diablo:
OK… does that disable my adblocker or something?
(no, I didn’t do that… as others have identified the details of the pic, I don’t need to and would rather not.)
I was just wondering what they were seeing.
I’m very wary of anything the western media/powers ( especially american) have to say about China and their interpretation of China’s policies and objectives, besides it says CIA on that map , so as far as i’m concerned it has no value.
Now is it possible to be pointed out to somewhere where there is a relatively neutral, balanced and well argumented view of this situation? Thanks.:)
Many of us (myself included) are basing our opinion on the actual statements the Chinese are making, not on anyone’s “interpretation” of Chinese statements.
Tigershark’s rather bellicose rant seems to mirror the position of the Chinese government (made clear by their actual statements) that anything that was ever under Chinese control, no matter how long ago, belongs under Chinese control now… and current national boundaries, international law, and the like are irrelevant.
Probably it will be useful for all sides ( or for those who actually want to find out what is the truth ) to have a fairly neutral stance on this situation.:)
No, I don’t agree that, when I see evil and oppression being done, that I must “have a fairly neutral stance on this situation”!
I fully expect someone to try to deflect my position by bringing up situations elsewhere in the world, but we are talking about China and I will not be diverted from that point… China is making outrageous claims that are in violation of international law, and that’s all there is to it!
Now I’m not a rabid F35 fan just mildly hydrophobic, and to me that article reads like it came straight out of the Typhoon PR department (an aircraft which until recently was the sole focus of my fandome).
Well, having looked on the internet, it seems that both the website and its publisher/editor are based in Paris, France.:
Giovanni de BrigantiPublisher, Editor-in-Chief
defense-aerospace.com
[email]editor@defense-aerospace.com[/email]Giovanni de Briganti, based in Paris, is an analyst, publisher and editor, specializing in the commercial aviation, aerospace and defense industries. He is currently publisher and editor-in-chief of http://www.defense-aerospace.com, a news web site devoted to defense aerospace, published by his company, Briganti et Associés. Born in Italy, he lived in Texas, Virginia and South Australia before settling in Paris.
Giovanni previously worked as an editor for Defense News, Armed Forces Journal and various European defense publications, including two that he founded. A self-avowed helicopter aficionado, he has been covering European issues for Rotor & Wing magazine since the mid-1980s.
Going by the uncritical praise he heaps on Rafale in some of his other pieces, I’d suspect a Rafale supporter, myself.
Here is a rebuttal to that opinion piece Spitfire9 posted: http://elementsofpower.blogspot.com/2012/05/giovanni-de-briganti-shillin-for-euros.html
Thanks for anyone who can answer this (well, the B-52 is a historic!)
At the top of what page?
There is no link, pic, or any other such thing in your post.
No, no confusion at all.
China has declared its “right” to control everything that is done in the Yellow Sea (between China & South Korea) and the South China Sea… all of the South China Sea.
This includes denying passage to military vessels of other nations… they told the US last year that holding a naval exercise with S.K. in the Yellow Sea (much nearer S.K. than China) was “a violation of China’s sovereignty over that sea” and that it would be considered a deliberate provocation.
China’s recent statements make it clear that China believes it should have total control of all east Asian waters that are not within 12 miles of another nation’s shoreline.
China has had no problem holding one standard for its claims and another for everyone else’s claims & rights.
Also, I think that the question was about a straight fighter to fighter combat, excluding such parameters as range. Therefore, I think the quotes I posted seem to cover the question. I’m no expert, but the opinions of the likes of Eric Brown clinch it for me.
Regards;
Steve
Did he ever fly the F4U-4 (not the -1A/-1D)?
Also, I think that the question was about a straight fighter to fighter combat, excluding such parameters as range. Therefore, I think the quotes I posted seem to cover the question. I’m no expert, but the opinions of the likes of Eric Brown clinch it for me.
Regards;
Steve
Did he ever fly the F4U-4 (not the -1A/-1D)?