Art and his other pilot have lots of hours on USMC Harrier IIs. His maintenance personnel, likewise, are experienced Harrier maintainers – and there will be a continuing supply for a long time coming from the USMC.
http://allthingsaero.com/airshows/aircraft/article-nalls-aviation-adds-second-civilian-harrier
The two current civilian Harrier pilots are both Certified Flight Instructors in Powered Lift and have thousands of hours of flight time and test pilot experience between them.
“Our next civilian pilot will be awarded her type rating very soon.” added Nalls. “She has nearly 1,000 hours of Harrier flight time, combat experience and was a Weapons and Tactics Instructor while serving in the United States Marine Corps. She is currently a LtCol in the Marine Corps reserves.” said Nalls.
As for the condition of the aircraft:
Nalls expects the import process to take several months to complete, and an additional several months before the airplane is inspected, modified, and approved for flying in the US. But, he also added that the airplane is in such good condition that ferrying the airplane across the Atlantic Ocean was seriously considered. It was determined that the risk to do so was not necessary so the airplane will be dismantled and shipped to the USA.
In the History Channel show Deep-Sea Detectives, they devoted an entire episode to running around to several places in the eastern US “trying to solve the mystery of the mystery destroyer found off the east coast of the US”.
http://shop.history.com/deep-sea-detectives-destroyer-down-dvd/detail.php?p=68796
The bow of a ship had been found – with the numbers showing it was the bow of USS Murphy DD-603 – which was listed as having been scrapped in 1972!
Of course, they had to dig deep into archives, look into war action reports, etc – while I just looked at the entry on DD-603 in the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships (held in most city, county, & university libraries in the US).
That volume had been published in the 1960s, and the entry noted that her bow had been cut off in a collision in 1943, with the bow 1/3 sinking and the stern 2/3 being towed back to the New York Navy Yard where a new bow was built. It even gave the date, approximate location, and the name of the merchant vessel that rammed her.
It is all the need of the media to “sex up” a mundane story in order to generate more interest/readership/viewers.
Now, having set the hook in the first story, the Air Force Times (which is published by a private company, not the US government) can run a series of follow-on articles, following the “story” of “the unraveling of the mystery” – where if they had just written what is easily available, there would be only the one not-very-interesting story.
I don’t understand all the drama around Ivan Gren’s fate.
It’s a project born conceptually old, nobody in his sane mind would require or expect a landing ship to beach itself to disembark troops and vehicles.
It’s even small and unable to provide logistic support, something obe could use only in very short range missions, like within Black Sea.
No reason neither to rely on old concepts nor to reinvent the wheel: between LSD, LPD and logistical vessel there are plenty of working concepts waiting just to be picked up and tailored to specific black berets’ force structure and missions requirements.
However, Russia seems enthusiastic about it:
http://www.janes.com/article/44670/russia-orders-second-ivan-gren-class-landing-ship
Russia orders second Ivan Gren-class landing ship
Nikolai Novichkov, Moscow – IHS Jane’s Defence Weekly
16 October 2014The Russian Navy has ordered a second Ivan Gren-class (Project 11711) landing ship, Sergei Vlasov, the director general of the Nevskoe Design Bureau, told IHS Jane’s on 14 October.
Designed by Nevskoe, the vessel will be broadly identical to lead vessel Ivan Gren with the exception of having internationally sourced equipment replaced with Russian-built products (due to Russia’s sanctions-driven self-sufficiency drive), Vlasov stated. Ivan Gren has “a few [items of] equipment of foreign origin” he said, noting that “the issue of import substitution is being solved for the second ship”.
Vlasov also revealed that Ivan Gren , laid down in 2004, will finally be commissioned in 2015 after a troubled build programme.
There were 6 planned:
http://rt.com/news/russian-biggest-landing-ship-862/
A series of six large modern landing ships ‘Ivan Gren’ (Project 11711) have been launched to replace the outdated Soviet-made ships, including the Mitrofan Moskalenko.
The first vessel in the series, the ‘Ivan Gren’, was put to sea on May 18, 2012. It is expected to enter service next year.
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How can something raise when it’s going down? (minus 3 or 4 % last buy)
Hey, now – don’t you know that that is just because the US governmental bureaucracy and Lock-Mart are conspiring to hide the true costs, and so agree upon a completely fictional number to show Congress – with the remainder of the actual cost to be transferred via the “black budget”?
At least, that’s what the rabid anti-JSF crowd has said the last couple of times a LRIP contract has shown a decrease in cost.
The DC-8 was returned to service and flew for many years despite its ocean voyage. It was finally scrapped in 2001. Despite coming down on a calm river I don’t believe there was any discussion about returning the A320 to service.
Here’s a story on the JAL mishap
http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/Shiga-SFBay.htmTotally different cases…the Soviets didn’t want publicity of any mishaps, and when you control the media (and people are taught not to ask too many questions)….you get the expected results. 🙂
It looks, from the photos and from the fact that the DC-8 was craned out of the water two days later, that there was little fuselage damage.
The A320, on the other hand, suffered considerable damage to the skin and ribs of the lower aft fuselage, making repairs much less economical.

Not quite the same as the one shown – but…
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The French evaluated an F/A-18A in the early 1980s, before the final decision for a carrier-capable version of Rafale – they would have had to launch with minimal fuel and immediately refuel in order to carry a useful external weapons load.
The French carriers Clemenceau (now scrapped) and Foch (now São Paulo) were/are equipped with British BS5 catapults (the same as the short catapults of the Royal Navy carriers Eagle & Ark Royal).
Here are the specs of those catapults and of the C-13-3s of CdG:
Type___Shuttle Run___Length___Capacity
BS5____50m (164ft)___220ft___50,000lb@91kt; 42,000lb@110kt; 35,000lb@126kt
C13-3__75m (246ft)___270ft___~70,000lb@140kt
As you can see – there is no possibility of Super Hornets operating in a combat capacity from São Paulo. This is important because of the uncertainty over when (or if) Brazil can build/buy a replacement carrier.
Based on results of operations from the Charles DeGaulle, it isn’t all that certain that even if they had bought the Super Hornet they would have been able to operate it from the carriers they envision.
Bad move, F18 regularly operated from CDG recently…
Hornets (F/A-18A/C) – NOT Super Hornets (F/A-18E/F)!
The Hornets that “operated” (actually, did light-load landings & take-offs without significant external payload) from CdG are smaller and lighter than the Super Hornets Brazil was looking to buy – and weight is a major factor for carrier operations, as the catapults and arresting gear have to be able to deal with launching or stopping that weight to/from the aircraft’s flying speed – which is basically the same speed for both Hornet and Super Hornet.
Super Hornets require more powerful catapults and stronger arresting gear (as well as a stronger impact area in the flight deck) than do Hornets.
OK – so sailors from the Brazilian carrier Minas Gerais (A-11) – WHICH WAS DECOMMISSIONED IN 2001 AND SCRAPPED IN 2004 – went to China and taught them how to run a carrier.
Wonder why they didn’t use BrN sailors from Brazil’s current carrier – São Paulo (A12)?
Still officially in service, to be replaced by the Typhoons they have contracted for.
I just have been realistic and maybe a little sarcastic too, after all someone very clever, and by coincidence Swedish too, had gave me this advice long time ago: Expect the best, but always you should have been prepared for the worst.
Because of this I have this following question:
How Brazil could lead the development from the Gripen F or even the proposed Sea Gripen if Brazil or Embraer does not have the knowledge and technology for this task today as well as in the next years, once it should be only in 2024 that the process of technology transfer would complete when Brazil could deliver the latest Gripen NG in 2024 with 40% from those parts, that at the best possibility, would have been produced in Brazil?
Despite a lot of things there are a significant differences between has been developing something like the Gripen NG and to produce the same at fully already developed specifications, anyway both Brazil and Embraer despite all its competence has never developed or even produced a supersonic fighter, so in my humble opinion it would not be realistic until 2024 at least.
This my simplistic and naive hint have been based on the fact that until now there are an indication that only 15 Gripen NG will be produced in Brazil until 2024, with respect for the Gripen F that would be used by the Sweden Air Force until this moment I do not know if those will be produced in Brazil, anyway it would be interesting if something like that could happen in the future.
But until this remote future I do not believe there is economic viability to create a production line in Brazil to manufacture only 15 Gripen NG, and if the Gripen NG will not produced in Brazil the technology transfer actually would never happened.
However, Brazil does intend, does it not, to eventually have far more Gripen than just 36?
Isn’t their intended plan to eventually replace all 57 F-5EM/F-5FMs and all 52 AMXs with Gripen?
And haven’t they announced that they are evaluating SAAB’s Gripen-M carrier-capable version plan to eventually replace the Skyhawks as well?
All of those Gripen (of whatever variant) in the follow-on orders will be assembled in Brazil, and will contain an increasing level of Brazilian-fabricated components.
On another board, I have contact with a former USN F-4 Phantom and F-14 Tomcat pilot. He has repeatedly stated that his former squadron-mates who remained in the USN and transitioned to the F/A18E Super Hornet to a man state that in a fight between F-14s and F/A-18Es they’d much rather be in the Super Hornet, as it would not only be much more likely to still have all systems working throughout the fight, but that it is more maneuverable in actual A-A fighting and its radar and systems would give them a much better chance to win.
Simply put, they told him that even the F-14Ds with their new radars, computers, etc and the AIM-120/AIM-9X could not dominate – or even match evenly – against the F/A-18E with the AIM-120/AIM-9X.
The only advantages the Tomcat held were aircraft range and extreme range of their AIM-54 missiles. And the AIM-54 was, even in its newest model, simply no good against a fighter-sized/fighter-maneuverable target – it was purely an anti-bomber/anti-non-maneuvering cruise missile weapon.
As fighters against other fighters, the Super Hornet was, and is, superior to the Tomcat.
I suppose you could be right Bager but I have lived all of my 42 years in Arizona and never once have I heard the the term “chaparral” used when referring to the desert vegetation. Although a poor choice I think “shrapnel” may very well have been the intended term.
I’ve lived in Nevada & Utah most of my life (52 years, mostly in rural areas), and many, many of the westerns I’ve read (from Zane Grey’s books written between 1908 & 1939 to modern westerns), and many movies, and many of the people I’ve met – including residents of Arizona & New Mexico – used the term regularly.
My great-grandparents had lived for a time in Arizona, working at a mine near Globe – and my grandparents (on both sides) spent time there before WW2 – and their letters use the term.
Perhaps you simply haven’t met people who use older terms?
Ah, the ejection seat. So there is enough UK content that it would require significant re-engineering and qualification effort on the part of Embraer and Saab to replace entirely then.
Anyway, all of it is possible to replace, given adequate time and money.
Or simply an Argentinian formal declaration to the UN that it no longer claims that set of islands in the South Atlantic.