Don Chanhttp://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2006-07/27/content_4883973.htm
reports the Xiao Long will appear at the 6th Zhu Hai air show on 31 October to 5 November 2006, at Zhu Hai City,
Guang Dong Province.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/mil/2006-07/28/content_4887208.htm
reports a PLA attack helo had an accident, two years ago, when the control stick broke.
(IMO: Made in China.) 8(
Don ChanJASDF UF-104J/A
FYI, the table in
http://aswoc-at.hp.infoseek.co.jp/UF104ja.htm
has three columns:
Drone serial number, shot down date, old serial number.
The exception is displayed at the Hamamatsu public information hall (Hamamatsu Air Park).
http://www.dii.jda.go.jp/asdf/airpark/index.htm
Don ChanThe links in my previous posts have the serial numbers of the converted airframes. 8D
Don ChanF-104
I am currently working on a major update for my website, and a very large part of this is the F-104 section with all you need to know (and probably more).
Just noticed your site, at
http://www.amarc.dk/F104/F104versions.html
doesn’t mention the JASDF UF-104J/A drones.
See posts #27 and #33 in
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=46415&page=1&pp=30
and pics in
http://aswoc-at.hp.infoseek.co.jp/UF104ja.htm
Don ChanFWIW,
http://www.chinalakealumni.org/Aircraft.htm
has a list of jet fighters converted as drones, including JASDF and ROCAF F-86-40-NA.
With serial numbers, codes, and dates.
http://taiwanbbs.org/cgi/index.pl?,v=display,b=mil,m=1104906047
is a message thread written in Chinese (traditional font) about PLAAF and ROCAF combat losses
in 1950s and 1960s.
Involved F-86, F-104, MiG-15, MiG-17, &c.
Don ChanWhy not publish the accident statistics of every major air force and see how the JASDF compares to others.
FYI, the military aircraft accidents/crashes data/history/news that I contribute to the Attrition column of AFM, and other database/news sites and mags, concentrate on the Northeast Asia and Far East Asia theatres, due to/limited by my linguistic capability.
Other members/Netters evidently concentrate on such data in other regions, such as South America and South Asia, and I don’t do cross-national analyses.
] I believe he is making useful contribution with these no.s
Dude, your pay cheque is in the snail mail. 8)
Don ChanJASDF accidents in 1969-1987 in Japan
17 November 1987:
Evening, during training sortie, JASDF F-1, 00-8243, crashed in ocean about 50 km east of Misawa AB, Aomori Prefecture.
Based at Misawa AB.
On 21 November, JASDF announced probable cause as pilot had vertigo.
http://www.pref.aomori.jp/k-gikai/dsweb.exe/document!1!guest6!!851!0!1!…
10 July 1987:
While flying near Towada City, southeastern Aomori Prefecture, and Rokunohe Town, Aomori Prefecture, two JGSDF helicopters collided and crashed.
OH-6D, 31159.
OH-6D, 31166.
http://www.pref.aomori.jp/k-gikai/dsweb.exe/document!1!guest6!!851!0!1!…
10 April 1987:
JASDF F-1, 80-8218, crashed in ocean about 10 km east of Misawa AB, Aomori Prefecture.
JASDF announced probable cause as pilot had vertigo.
http://www.pref.aomori.jp/k-gikai/dsweb.exe/document!1!guest6!!851!0!1!…
17 May 1978:
Night, while flying towards Ashizuri Cape, JMSDF PS-1 amphibious ASW aircaft, 5812, crashed in mountains in Kouchi Prefecture.
31st Koukuugun, based at Iwakuni JMSDF Base, Yamaguchi Prefecture.
13 crew killed.
At 17:06, 5812 took off at Iwakuni, for amphibious take off and landing training, and wave monitoring.
About 20:00, continued amphibious take off and landing training near Iwakuni.
About 19:15, another 31st Koukuugun PS-1, 5813, found and monitored an unidentified surfaced submarine and a surface ship, in sea near Shikoku Island.
About 20:00, 5813 reported to 31st Koukuugun command it was returning to base.
5813 took off one hour before 5812, had less fuel, and had no crew member experienced with identifying ships. 31st Koukuugun command diverted 5812 to relieve 5813.
From 21:30 to 21:45, while flying above Shikoku Island, 5812 crashed in mountains near Yusuhara Town, Takaoka County, Kouchi Prefecture.
One hour after 5812 received its order, it did not report its location, and 31st Koukuugun command began SAR operation. About the same time, locals reported a fire column to authorities and confirmed accident.
Some crew members’ children were kindergarten age.
Submarine later identified as USN.
At Iwakuni, 31st Koukuugun had 15 PS-1. 51st Koukuutai Iwakuni Detachment had five PS-1.
http://kokkai.ndl.go.jp/SENTAKU/syugiin/084/0020/08406060020022c.html
8 February 1969:
About 11:59, while landing at Komatsu AB, JASDF F-104J hit by lightning and crashed in 2 Choume, Nomachi, Kanazawa City, Ishikawa Prefecture.
6th Koukuudan, based at Komatsu AB, Ishikawa Prefecture.
Pilot ejected.
On ground, residential area, four civilians killed. 18 wounded.
14 civilian houses burnt, four houses partly burnt, seven houses damaged, 25 houses partly damaged.
Debris spread radius 400 m.
On 1 February, one of six deployed to Hyakuri AB, Ibaraki Prefecture, for training.
On 8 February, about 11:00, took off at Hyakuri AB, and returned to Komatsu AB. Delayed from 9:00, because bad weather.
Other five landed at Komatsu AB. Seven minutes before crash, two landed. Seven minutes after crash, three landed.
Cloud ceiling at 600 m (2,000 feet), thunder clouds at altitude 3,000 m, visibility 2,000 m. All Nippon and civilian flights stopped.
But at Komatsu AB, JASDF minimum conditions for take off and landing were cloud ceiling 90 m (300 feet), visibility 800 m.
http://www.hab.co.jp/headline/news0000051742.html
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%88%AA%E7%A9%BA%E6%A9%9F%E4%BA%8B%E6%95%85
http://kokkai.ndl.go.jp/SENTAKU/syugiin/061/0380/06102100380008c.html
Don Chan] Look there!
Grumble. The Jap government called it a “CL1010-2”, and I tried Google and Yahoo! on it, but no joy.
] Also they are willing to talk some Hesperian fighter how unsuccessful it is, but never care how many aircraft crash down in their country
BTW, although Taiwan is currently ruled by a President from a separatist political party, Taiwanese are also Chinese. 8D
IIRC, before 1972 or so, at the UN, China was represented by Taiwan, not China.
Don Chan] let’s see are there any photos you have to prove what F-104 full load plan is?!
I haven’t found any juicy technical details about the CL1010-2 variant of the F-104 either. 8(
Don Chan…
Au contraire, see
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/search.php?do=process&showposts=0&starteronly=1&exactname=1&searchuser=Don+Chan
for my several threads about PLA/PLAAF/PLAN aircraft accidents and crashes in China.
IMO, military pilots who lived and martyred for their countries should be respected, regardless of country.
Anyway.
I’m quick-translating that list of ROCAF F-104 attritions.
I suppose some JASDF and Luftwaffe fans, if any, might be interested in what happened to their F-104Js and F-104Gs after they emigrated to Taiwan. 8(
Don Chanhttp://www.taiwanairpower.org/history/f104ret.html
says the ROCAF acquired 247 F-104s through Projects Ali Shan 1 to 11.
But that text file claims 112 ROCAF F-104s crashed/destroyed. 8(
Even
http://www.bluesky49n.com/f104/default.htm
claims 97 ROCAF F-104s crashed/destroyed. 8(
Also
http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Country-By-Country/Taiwan.htm
Argh.
http://www.916-starfighter.de/F-104_RoCAF_serials.htm
has more ROCAF F-104 serial number lists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-104
‘The German modified Starfighters were especially problematic, due to the modifed version’s alarming accident rate. In German service alone, 292 of the 916 Starfighters crashed, claiming the lives of 115 pilots, leading to cries that the Starfighter was fundamentally unsafe and earning it the Widowmaker nickname, among others (see below). However, the non-German F-104 proved much safer and earned a better track record.’
‘The Starfighter was commonly called the “missile with a man in it.” In service, American pilots called it the “Zipper” or “Zip-104” (because of its prodigious speed). The Japan Air Self-Defense Force called it Eiko (“glory”), but other export pilots were less charitable, dubbing it “Flying Coffin” or worse. The German public called it Witwenmacher (“widowmaker”), fliegender Sarg (“flying coffin”) or Erdnagel (“ground nail”, the official military term for a tent peg). The Pakistani AF name was Badmash (“hooligan”), while among Italian pilots its spiky design earned it the nickname Spillone (“hatpin”), along with bara volante (“flying coffin”, again). Canadian pilots sometimes referred to it as the flying lawn dart. The engine made a unique howling sound at certain throttle settings which led some to call the Starfighter Howling Howland. At certain low speeds with high engine RPM the aircraft produced a pronounced oscillating whine as the wings rocked from side to side. In Canada this was referred to as the “Whistling Wing Walk”.’
Don Chanhttp://students.washington.edu/nut12345/uploader/Upload%20folder/upload998.zip
Text file written in Chinese.
ROCAF F-104 attritions list, in order of sub-type and serial number.
Don Chanhttp://students.washington.edu/nut12345/uploader/Upload%20folder/upload998.zip
Text file written in Chinese.
ROCAF F-104 attritions list, in order of sub-type and serial number.
Don ChanKorean War
http://mil.longhoo.net/html/2006-01/11672.htm
B&W photos of gun camera films of F-86 and MiG-15 shooting down each other during Korean War. 8(
] Those Japanese wrecks are cool.
As cool as North Vietnamese wrecks, IMO. 8D
Don ChanKorean War
http://www.chinamil.com.cn/site1/xwpdxw/2006-06/13/content_498982.htm
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/dljl/kmyc/01/11043607/20060606/13379057.html
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/dljl/kmyc/01/11043607/20060410/13232522.html
http://newspaper.lndaily.com.cn/lnrb/200605/15581020060531.htm
(Articles written in Chinese.)
During Korean War, PLAAF MiG-15 vs USAF prop and jet fighters.
Photo of PLAAF MiG-15, serial number 25, with nine stars: seven kills and two damaged.
http://www.csonline.com.cn/newspaper/js/A11/200605/t20060525_477393.htm
(Article written in Chinese.)
During Korean War, FSU (USSR) fighter pilots collected USAF F-86 wrecks and interrogated captured USAF pilots, to study F-86 technology.
On 6 October 1951, USAF F-86, serial number 91319, damaged in air combat, pilot couldn’t or didn’t eject, and crash-landed near a beach. An USAF amphibious SAR aircraft rescued the pilot.
FSU, (D)PRK, and Chinese personnel hoisted and recovered the wreck.
Despite USAF efforts to destroy the wreck at the crash site and during transportation on ground, the wreck was studied in Moscow. Its technologies, such as APG-30 radar gunsight and wing design, compromised.
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