hopsalotYes, roughly..there is no 1-vs-1 analogy, of course, but I’d say I am in the same ballpark of experience level in my line of work.
Great, so now you think you are one of the top few dozen drivers in the world, and yet you spend your time here trolling a aircraft messageboard….
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We are all honored to have you here among us. -reported-
hopsalotLet’s be honest here, in debates like these no one is interested in WHAT is being said, everyone only cares about WHO is saying it. Nomatter what argument would a guy like Sprey, Kopp or Sweetman ever present, for you and the likes it’s only ” a rambling conspiracy presented by that nutjob which should be got rid of”. And likewise, I am absolutely not interested in another pilot’s buttercream about how this plane is an iPhone among fighter jets.. most of the criticism regd. the jet has always been related to things which pilots have zero word, anyway (timelines, capabilities, cost)
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Sounds like a kid who knows he lost an argument. “You have your sources and I have mine!” Except Sprey, Kopp, etc are totally discredited and haven’t had access to any aspect of the F-35. Meanwhile the pilot in the podcast has a level of first hand experience only a handful of people on earth have.
…and that is the thing isn’t it? The pilots, engineers, and experts are the source of 90% of the favorable accounts of the F-35, while bloggers, fanboys and assorted nitwits are the ones with all the complaints.
You seem to take pride in placing yourself in that latter grouping and even seem to be genuinely surprised when reality stubbornly continues to track with the former.
hopsalotBtw, isnt it interesting that so many jump to conclusions about the credibility of current pilots, and a retired Lt.Col, who actually has a wealth of experience, yet parrot poorly sourced, poorly researched, and clickbait articles from the likes of defense-aerospace and Pogo? At this late date, it’s pretty clear some of the more vociferous posters on this forum holding a negative view of the F-35 program are akin to the Roman inquisition charging Galileo with heresy- holding onto outdated beliefs as the evidence mounts that their opinions were flawed, yet too stubborn to amend views.
Well they can’t actually argue with what he has to say, so just like all the other pilots (and governments) he must be paid off by LM. They have been trying this same routine for years, why stop now?
hopsalotBoth Russia and Turkey have territory which is geographically within Europe. Both Russia and Turkey have been historically politically well-linked with Europe. The Turks were once the “Sick man of Europe”.
Modern Turkey is not the Ottoman Empire. (which is what the “Sick man of Europe” referred to)
The Ottoman Empire once controlled a big chunk of Europe, but was finally expelled after WWI, leaving Turkey with only a tiny corner of European territory.
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hopsalotThank you guys, I know what european continent is, but, unless I’m seriously mistaken, when someone points out “Europe” as a whole, or speaks about “european defense”, and so on, he/she usually refers to the entity called “European Union” (or else, why is it always “defense against Russia”, while Russia lays on a nice big chunk of Europe (the continent) )
At one point, it would good to remain logical
That depends on their level of education frankly. Are you going to say that Norway is doesn’t belong in a discussion of “Europe” or “European defense?” I think they would be surprised to learn that.
Europe is a concept that predates the EU by a long long time.
hopsalot1st i check in here on this thread regulary to see if there is something intersting, as in NEWS on F-35.
2nd. I’m on hollyday, wont waste a minute going trough such podcast. Especially when Sprey is on. What he is or was is not the point here, what he say or write is.
3rd Is there any actuall news on that podcast; NO i guess.4th what you guys deem very interesting doesn’t mean its interesting.. get it!
5th Solarwarden, who gives a flying @ss what you think is essentially on this thread or Forum.
Oh look, yet another post by someone who didn’t listen to the podcast but suspects it is boring and just wanted us all to know his important opinion.
This is an aviation forum. Lots of people would find the contents of this forum boring, and they aren’t compelled to come here and read about aircraft.
This is the F-35 discussion thread. If you aren’t interested in F-35 discussion, don’t click. I am sure there will be a fascinating new PAK FA paint scheme coming out soon to entertain you.
hopsalotwas just wondering, what does Turkey (not european) and GB (leaving europe), and neither being partner in it, have to do with the “European fighter”?
GB is leaving Europe? Must have been one heck of an earthquake…
hopsalotA US test pilot buttercream his jets, and a monkey ex-co designer whom loves hearing/see him self on media.
No thanks.
Edit;
If there was any new revelation from it, i expect it be all over the net by now.
So let me get this straight. You didn’t listen to the podcost and decided to take the time to troll the thread anyway?
… and do let me know when you find something Pierre Sprey “co-designed,” he never worked a day for General Dynamics or Fairchild-Republic. Too much RT for you.
hopsalotHi All,
bring_it_on – So the manufacturers have got all air arms by the balls, by more than you want to save money, by what you actually need
and cost the tax payer more. That’s just like going into a restaurant ordering a whatever ounce steak then being charged more because it’s well
done and not rare!
No, it is more like saying that it is more efficient, and thus cheaper, to build them at a higher production rate.
This isn’t complicated.
hopsalotOne would think the F-35, designed for future requirements would not have the same requirements as a Cessna upon start-up.. i mean one is build for war and is cost $100 a pop!
This should by all accounts be a carefree issue in the first place, and definitely not be a risk at crisping the jet.Let give a good example, there isn’t enough shelters for F-35 at Ørlandet Airbase.. InFact there is no shelter at this point!
And you clearly have not been up here during winter times. It gets worse the further North(other Airbases).You can show your faceplam right back where the sun don’t shine.
All aircraft have a wide variety of procedures and environmental limitations that must be observed for them to operate properly.
This is actually a fairly common one with a blindingly obvious solution, and it doesn’t require shelters. You just turn the plane.
hopsalotThe Windy coast condition at Ørlandt Airbase here could be a challange. But nothing they wont overcome. Just tow the jet towards the wind prior to startup.
But on a general level, this makes the F-35 more fragile in terms of operations. Can they “fix” this without any costly redesign of F135?
Facepalm…
“Fragile in terms of operations,” really? As you said, you just turn the jet. This isn’t a new problem or a new solution:
F-4 Phantom
Start engines with nose into or at right angle to wind as exhaust temperatures may be aggravated by tail wind.
Gulfstream G650
Max Tailwind for Engine Start: 20 kts
https://quizlet.com/17264273/gulfstream-g-650-limitations-flash-cards/
Cessna Citation Mustang
Engine start, maximum tailwind 10 knots
https://www.flashcardmachine.com/ce510-mustanglimitsmemory.html
hopsalot3. Austria has money but chooses not to spend it on defence.
Exactly… this isn’t a problem of not having money. Austria just doesn’t particularly care about maintaining a military. They have a GDP of $385 billion… more than Norway, Denmark or Greece. If they wanted to buy a couple dozen fighters they could easily afford to do so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(nominal)
hopsalotBut still a LRIP. This add to the natural state of confusion.
How easy was it when “Mark” where what characterized every growth of the aircraft (think of the British Lightning for ex.).
We have now a total LRIP order that will surpass the total production of the Rafale or Gripen.
With 141 F-35s in LRIP 12 that annual production lot alone will nearly equal the entire Rafale production run to date. (though by the time LRIP 12 is produced the Rafale will have climbed somewhat)
That gives a sense for just how different the scale of the F-35 program is relative to many other recent projects. The Rafale, Gripen NG, F-22… all have order books/production runs of 200ish aircraft. (obviously the total numbers of Rafales and Gripen NGs remain to be seen)
The F-35 meanwhile is heading toward producing 150+ aircraft per year.
That they still consider this “LRIP” is more than a little bit silly. Personally I would have moved straight into multi-year buys right after IOC was declared for the USAF. By that point it was obvious that no major show-stoppers were going to emerge. Obviously all early production jets will need some upgrades to bring them to the full 3F standard, but there are plans in place to do exactly that and there aren’t going to be any orphaned planes.
hopsalotF-35Bs from at Nellis for Red Flag 17-3 which kicks off on Monday. The Air Force’s F-35As will also be there marking the first time the two types have been together at Red Flag –
It is strange to think that in the space of 3-4 years the F-35 is going from a relatively rare aircraft to a relatively common one.
hopsalotFreedom of speech is bad mkay?
Nobody is suggesting a government muzzle him. They are just poking fun at his ignorant editorial comments.
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