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June 18, 2004 at 8:42 pm in reply to: Tfc P-39 #1617411

ALBERT ROSS
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Any chance of someone in the States posting a photo of the TFC P-39Q, so we can all get a preview? Thanks

June 16, 2004 at 1:43 am in reply to: Cosford Anyone Try To Get There? #1793919

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I have heard so many bad reports about Cosford in the past that I never bother to go. Every year, the participation content is poor and about half of Birmingham and Wolverhampton try to get there, so why don’t those that complain read the reports from last year’s show and the one before that, before attempting to get there and then complain afterwards. A little research would save a lot of stress ! If you really must go, then leave earlier! 🙁

June 16, 2004 at 1:26 am in reply to: The worlds most neglected preserved aircraft. #1793947

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they would never sell. thats thier national musem, even the russian space shuttle sits rotting in the open :p

What is SO annoying about Monino is the corruption in the country. There are loads of tourists and aviation enthusiast groups that visit this collection and pay cash to the person (guide?) on the gate. You think this money is going towards the upkeep of the aircraft, but you would be wrong! I went there in 1997 and a coachload of us coughed up a ‘fee’ for entrance, another ‘fee’ for photogaphy and a third ‘fee’ for video. I watched this person get off the bus and put 75% of the cash in his back pocket and took the rest to the office!
Now you know why the aircraft are so neglected, so if anyone goes there watch where your money goes?

June 16, 2004 at 1:11 am in reply to: Wessex Aviation & Transport Collection #1793950

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I have photographed the entire collection and here is Stearman A-75N, N4712V as requested, seen landing at the Badminton Air day 27 April 1986.
The break-up of this collection is very sad and I could comment on the reasons for this, but it is not appropriate for this Forum. Brian Woodford spend thousands and thousands of pounds acquiring these aircraft and having them restored and it is such a shame what has happened. I believe Dragon Rapide G-ACZE is slowly deteriorating hangared at Haverfordwest, but may be part of the Christies Auction. Does anyone know? I know the DH90 Dragonfly and DH83 Fox Moth are now flying in New Zealand, but what of the others?

June 16, 2004 at 12:55 am in reply to: R.A.F. Kemble #1793977

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Re traffic at Kemble, have NEVER had a problem getting in or out with all traffic flowing well! Absolute dream of an air show to attend for the motorist, photographer and enthusiast alike. Wish Glen all the luck with the weather which is the one thing out of his control.
P.S. Has the Gannet arrived yet?

June 13, 2004 at 4:32 pm in reply to: RAF Colerne #1798344

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This was my very first visit to Colerne for the “Battle of Britain” Air Day on 19th September 1964. Considering the lack of quality cameras and lenses then, I think my father and I did a pretty good job of recording the event in colour and b/w prints, as well as logging everything. The variety of aircraft there was incredible and here are some of the highlights:

R.Netherlands AF “Whisky Four” aerobatic team of Lockheed T-33As landed after their display for refuelling. Their support aircraft was a Fokker F.27M Troopship and there was also a brand-new polished silver USAF TAC C-130E Hercules(both just visible behind).

XM961 Twin Pioneer taxiiing out with Canberra U-10 and CFS Whirlwind behind.

XP165 ETPS Scout in grey/duck egg green scheme starting up to depart
with RAF Signals Command Varsity behind.

Also remember a camouflaged Valiant in the flying display.
Wonderful show 40 years ago and remember it like yesterday. Oh,and all the museum aircraft were lined up on the grass as well.

June 13, 2004 at 1:02 pm in reply to: So what preserved aircraft have you flown in? #1798443

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Preserved / pre-served… hmm, I like your thinking Albert… 😉

I would take ‘preserved’ to mean “maintained in such a way as to ensure the aeroplane’s continued long term existence”. Therefore, an aeroplane maintained in airworthy condition would count in the same way as a preserved static example in a museum. Airframes such as the Balderton Lightning (don’t get me started…) would not count.

Hi Steve,

The definition of ‘preserved’ could open a whole can of worms and upset many museums, who have good intentions but just don’t have the resources or money to look after their aircraft as we would like. As far as they are concerned, they have saved an aircraft from being scrapped, so it is ‘preserved’, but for how long is another thing. I just wish all private museums and collections could operate like Duxford and the Newark Air Museum, where they are progressivly repainting all their aircraft in correct colours, have received a lottery grant for a new hangar and are getting them under cover.
I feel confident that they will look after each aircraft in turn.

June 13, 2004 at 12:49 am in reply to: So what preserved aircraft have you flown in? #1798770

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‘Preserved’ is a confusing subject. If a warbird is still flying, it has ‘ pre-served’ in military service but is ‘currently’ serving in private hands, so suppose it can’t be ‘preserved’. Does ‘preserved’ have to be ‘well looked after, following previous service’? Are warbirds flying museum pieces or ‘still in service’, albeit civilian service?

June 13, 2004 at 12:02 am in reply to: RAF Colerne #1798841

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Thought you might like to see some of the museum aircraft I shot there in June 1968 –

Supermarine 510 (or 517?) VV106 – now in Cobham Hall, Yeovilton
Sea Fury VR930 now being restored to fly with RNHF#
Hawker P1052 now stored in Cobham Hall, Yeovilton.

June 12, 2004 at 11:28 pm in reply to: Not entirely historic, but… #1798905

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Nice to see my aircraft recognition skills are still up to the job. 😉

(2500 Sqn ATC, Air Britain A/C Rec Champions 1988) 😉

It’s a pity the BBC’s recognition skills aren’t! I watched the flypast on TV and they described the VC-10 as an E-3 Sentry!! 😮

June 12, 2004 at 11:23 pm in reply to: So what preserved aircraft have you flown in? #1798937

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Depends on your definition of ‘preserved in a museum’. Does this include, for example, the Duxford Rapides? Other privately owned aircraft based there and on display to the public? What about aircraft which once fell into this category and have now moved on? Or since been lost in accidents? Would you include, for example, the Ju-Air Ju-52s, since these are on display at Dubendorf during the summer months (when they are not away from their home base)?

I think in this case ‘preserved’ must mean ‘no longer airworthy but maintained in good condition. Although the Duxford Rapides, Tiger Moths and the like are ‘vintage’ aircraft, they are maintained in flying condition rather than ‘preserved’. Probably splitting hairs, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

June 12, 2004 at 11:15 pm in reply to: So what preserved aircraft have you flown in? #1798940

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Handley Page Hastings 34 times
Avro Lancaster 3 times
Avro Anson 9 times
DH Chipmunk 3 times
DH 89 Dominie once
T31 Slingsby twice
Gloster Meteor T7 once
Percival Provost (Piston) once
Gloster Meteor NF12 once
Westland Whirlwind once
Handley Page Hermes 8 times
Vickers Valetta once
Short Sunderland V once
Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer once
Bristol Freighter (RNZAF) once
Bristol Britannia 5 times
Avro Shackleton MR3 23 times
Boeing 707 (G-APFG) on BOAC crew training 1960 once
DC-6b twice
DH Dove once
Vickers Viscount 5 times
Blackburn Beverley once
DH Comet C2 twice

Blimey John, that’s VERY impressive, but not only reveals your age but doesn’t actually answer the question. Which on your list are actually ‘preserved’ in museums or on a gate ?
Can you quote serials please? Without these, the only one I can see that answers the question is Boeing 707 G-APFG which is preserved at Cosford.

June 12, 2004 at 1:43 am in reply to: First Choice New Logo #686610

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Why, it’s the Blarny Stone of course!!!

June 12, 2004 at 1:20 am in reply to: So what preserved aircraft have you flown in? #1800760

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Okay, anyone got any photos to back-up their claims, showing them in the cockpit, or getting in/out? Here is me in Duxford’s Airspeed Oxford, pointing my camera out of the centre window(taken from the Anson 1 also preserved at Duxford) and two years later in the centre of RNHF Fairey Swordfish

June 12, 2004 at 1:14 am in reply to: So what preserved aircraft have you flown in? #1800778

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Facing backwards in Peter Jackson’s Brisfit was fun, if you’re counting replicas.

Sorry, Janie, relicas don’t count! But real Chipmunks do!!! 😉
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