SauronBashing Muslims is not something I have ever seen in the US (or Canada). I doulbt it is that common althought there are always a few willing to pick up on vulnerable people. Perhaps it is a common occurance in some places in Europe. The current US administration goes out of it’s way to respect U.S. Muslim communities.
As far as Stevens is concerned, he talked his way onto the no-entry list by shooting his big mouth and making it plain he hates the US. To bad. I wonder how many here who are whining about this incident realy gives a s**t about him, listens to his music or bought any of it? More likely just another another opportunity to bad mouth the U.S.
Better to inconvenence a few than take a chance just because he has supported a Muslim charity. We have all heard about money flowing through so called charities that actually support Muslim terrorists.
Millions of people go in and out of the U.S. each year without a problem. Occasionaly some undesirerable or idiot with bombs in his shoes caught. Good! 😀
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Some details for you:
There were originally 12 in this class. GLOWWORM and BEE were scrapped in 1928 and 39 respectfully. They were all to be scrapped but the war halted that program.
Some history:
APHIS was in China until 1940, then the Med and then the Pacific. Scrapped in Singapore 1947.
CICALA was lost in China in 1941.
COCKCHAFER was scapped in Singapore in 1947 after service in Hong Kong, the East Indies, the Med and the Pacific.
CRICKET was scrapped in Alexandria in 1944 after she hit a mine.
GNAT was torpedoed in the Med in 1941 and finally scrapped in 1945.
LADYBIRD was bombed and sunk at Tobruk in 1941.
MANTIS was captured at Singapore and scrapped in 1946.
MOTH was captured at Hong Kong, salvaged by the Japanese and served as the SUMA. Lost in 1945.
SCARAB went to the East Indies in 1941, the Med in 1943 and finally to the Pacific. Srapped in 1948.
TARANTULA was in the East Indies thoughout the war and was sunk as a target in 1946.
This class was 625 tons, 237′ in length and carried 2-6inch guns.
It’s interesting that similar but newer river gunboats with similar names were built in 1937-39. DRAGONFLY lost 1942, GRASSHOPPER lost 1942, LOCUST which was around until 1951, MOSQUITO lost 1940, and SCORPION lost 1942. Another was to be called BEE (again) but was cancelled.
There were 11 or so smaller river gunboats mostly in the 300 ton range that served in the RN as well. Most came to a bad end.
Hope this gives you some of the info you were asking about. If you have a copy of Warships of World War II (Ian Allan 1970) you will find some details starting on page 312.
Regards
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SauronSo the U.S. only sells dumbed down fighters to foreign customers, yet looses each and every war game it participates in, including those in which the oposition fights with less capable US equipment and the USAF/USN/USMC uses the more capable versions which must happen at least some of the time. In other words, all US military pilots are sub-standard and it doesn’t matter what they use or how well they are trained, they will always loose. I don’t even what to thing about what happens when they engage non-US designs.
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Sauron“According to one source……”
No name, no date, no verification, no specifics on rules of engagement. It all adds up to just another B.S.story.
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SauronRegular forces pilots did not fly F-102, F-104 in space suits.
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SauronYes the old oil issue and I wonder which country is the largest buyer of that oil?
One wonders about the wisdom of wasting non-replaceable oil resourses on a few second rate Migs (or F-16s for that matter).
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SauronThey don’t want to know about it on this forum John. They won’t even read it.
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SauronFor the record I didn’t suggest the US was assisting SA with it’s technical aviation issues. Rather, I was pointing out that the US buys aircraft from Brazil now that that it produces useful non-military products. This strikes me as being supportive in an economic sense. How this can be veiwed as a negative is beyond me. Nor did I suggest that the US is responsible for the fact that SA is largly peaceful and democratic.
My comment about nukes was ment to be sarcastic :rolleyes: and was in response to the a rather dumb comment by someone else earlier in the thread.
I would imagine that many US companies have and are investing in many aspects of SA economies. Why would they not?
Perhaps a reasoned read of what people actually say rather than comments about “freaking out” etc would be more in order.
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SauronIs this thread about aviation or just another excuse to blame the US for the broader problems that South and Central America nations largly created for themselves?
South and Central America countries started out roughly at the same time in history as North America and had the same opportunities to develop the social and political structures necessary to develop strong economies and advanced technologies. To the extent that they suceeded or failed is on their heads.
As to military aviation spcifically, if US policy had always been to sell the latest military designs to everyone with out regard to regional politics and conditions you can bet it would now be accused of encouraging an arms race in the region. It chose a very moderate sales policy and as a result others like the French and Russians stepped in. Which policy is better? Why stop with fighters? Lets load the region up with tactical nukes as well! As usual, no one questions the motives of anyone other than the US.
What possible reason does the region need large military forces? To copy the rest of the world? You would think that South and Central America would be proud of the fact that the region is now largly democratic and peaceful.
As far as commercial aviation is concerned, US seems to be quite supportive of Brazil so I don’t understand the explotation argument.
The Monroe doctrine for gods sake! That’s 19th century!
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SauronIf the Blackhawk had won again some would be whining about “politics”.
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SauronIsn’t this an airshow maneuver mainly done to impress the women and children and diehard Su-27 (?) fans.
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SauronRussia has a carrier in port. Isn’t it about time we had another thread on it’s next deployment?
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SauronSorry Geforce but reading opinions about US imperialism is pointless because it dosn’t add up. You can make a case for almost anything if you you ignor certain facts.
Afghanistan? Well we all know it’s a tough go but many things have changed for the better and the Taliban are not coming back regardless of the diehards. As long as the support arrives as promised life there will improve and the central government will gradually get stronger.
Terrorism has never been the deciding factor in any war. The only government brought down by terrorists was the Taliban. The Taliban would still be in power had al-Qaida not attacked New York.
The nations that have withdrawn (or may withdraw) from Iraq will not change the outcome and have little to contribute in the first place. The kind of terrorism that we are talking about kills relatively few people if you think about it.
To say the U.S. is going solo in the world is simply not true. The US cooperates with the world on countless issues and on many levels. The very fact that you mention Powell is evidence of that.
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When you make a comment like you did to me about WWI/WWII you invite a response like I made. Note that small numbers of Canadian forces are apparently still required to assist in places like the Balkans which if you think about it, is astonishing given the population of Europe and the resources available. I know some of those folks.
I am very aware of the respect paid allied dead in your country and elsewhere. The level of care devoted to the grave sites is outstanding. Do you seriously believe that the millions of North American families who had members involved in those wars, know nothing about those events and the individual stories?
You know very well that the U.S. never was and is not an Imperial power. American occupations esentually only last as long as it takes for the local populations to form a government capable of running the country. The U.S. never ruled a colonial empire. European powers (like Belgium) ruled their colonial empires for centuries in some cases. Quite a difference. The same cycle is currenty playing out in Afghanistan and Iraq . Both will take time and both will be better off.
How you can call Afghanistan a failure is beyond me. The Taliban are now simply terrorists with out a place to call home and terrorists have has never defeated a determined nation or won a war.
The U.S. is the least Xenophobic place on earth. Canada exhibits more xenophobia than the U.S. I am sorry to say.
The non-military actions go one every day via international actions by the various police forces, the national inteligence agencies and the courts.
The only people who have trouble travelling to the U.S. are those without proper documentation. Millions do each year (half the people in our town go each year). Occasionally an idiot or a member of the press who wants a story to print has an issue. The U.S. has a perfect right to expect vistors to have proper documentation. There is no paranoia at U.S. airports.
U.S. sanctions do not keep Castro in power. His thugs do as Mixtec as said.
You are quite correct that issues are often grey but radical Islam hates unbelievers. The only variable is the number of ways they express that simple fact.
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Yes it’s obvious! Europe has no military option even when it is justified. It can’t take a firm stand on anything therefore it simply takes the rather delusionary view that talk will solve all it’s problems. That fact also aids French and German ambitions to control the E.U
Yes, the U.S. has the military option to use when appropriate. An while you may not like it, many European governments support U.S. actions in Afghanistan and Iraq. Most had no problem geting U.S. military help in the Balkans either.
You know very well, that the U.S. is involved in non military actions against terrrorism around the world so why suggest that it is not?
It’s also obvious why the U.S. is under attack. It’s under attack by a violent form of Islam. Spare us the analysis. As long as the U.S. has a significant military force anywhere in the M-E, that will be reason enough for it to be targeted by Islamic terrorists. It isn’t any more complicated than that.
How do you know Europeans are more interested in foreign policy than Americans? Because the media says so?
I doubt if university students are any better informed about world issues than any other group. What are Americans naive about by the way?
Your imperialist examples are a little lame. Why didn’t you include Germany, Japan, South Korea and (gasp) Iraq?
What would us Canadians need to know about your wars other than we seem to be obligated to help you fight them from time to time? 😉
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