RE: Political leaders

Mongu

I wouldn’t for a minute suggest you are personally anti-semetic because both Arabs and Jews are semetic peoples as you well know.

As far as Africa goes this is another area of the world where if the Americans were to step in to try to help resolve problems it would be because others (Europeans mostly) screwed thing up and then left. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. On the oil issue, I imagine that European companies (Shell comes to mind) are the principle ones involved there and that the bulk of the production goes to other than American destinations.

It isn’t just the US that has a stake in foreign oil.

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RE: Political leaders

Keltic

I just occured to me that a region of Spain is in the hands of a foreign power, the British! And that the British army invaded another part of Spain just a few weeks ago but were repelled by a lone Spanish policeman. Maybe the the Royals are working for the CIA.:-)

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RE: Political leaders

Keltic

I take your point and can only add that because the civil-war in China was part of the larger struggle between two politial views it was only reasonable that the western powers (not just the US) would oppose the PRC. Given the track records of each I would say that the Taiwan folks got the better of the deal. Now things are changing and as others here have pointed out the US probably did more than you could have reasonably expected in the beginning, in maintaining a balance between the two.

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RE: Political leaders

Mongo

I believe your comments re post WWII in ref to the middle east are pretty fair although personally I think you give the British more credit than they deserve. I brought it up to remind folks here that the US to a large degree, carries the ball that others dropped. Do you think Israel would exist today if the US hadn’t supplied them with the means to defend themselves during the 1967 war? Would Europe have accepted the surviors? I know these are unfair questions.

I wasn’t attempting to be clever with my remark about the Arabs externalizing their problems, but I don’t know what else you can call it. US support for Israel is simply used to divert attention from the fact that the only Arabs that get to vote for their leaders are the ones who live in Israel. The Palistinians are used as a pawn and the Arab states will (as the man said) fight to the last one.

I don’t recall making any anti-Palistinian comments in these threads. ‘Knocking the palestinians so much!’ as you call it.??

Anyone who has access to American news and public affairs programming knows that Americans do not ‘ferociosly’ appose arab land claims nor are most Americans anti-arab. Perhaps you view is infuenced by the fact that most Europeans seem to be anti-Isreal?

I watch a significant amount of American programming and seldom do I hear American politicians or newscasters make snide or unkind remarks about Europeans that are said about Americans by folks on this forum. Nor do Americans externalize their problems to any significant degree that I have noticed. Mainly they accept their own shortcomming quite readily.

I am not an American, so perhaps I am talking out of turn, but I think European complacency just dosn’t cut it in the US. It didn’t before Sep 02 and less so now.

Sorry about mixing the threads. I wasn’t paying attention.

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RE: Political leaders

Keltic

When asked a question you use the ‘don’t take it personal’
line. Fine, however, your answer to my question is simply based on your ‘personal’ brand of wishfull thinking and dosn’t contain a shread of fact to support your claim that the PRC and Taiwan would have kissed and made up by now if it had not been or US policy. Perhaps you should go back and read what Vortex had to say. Its always easier to blame others than it is to face up to the real cause. Thats what this thread is all about. Nevertheless, I hope you get your wish in due time.

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RE: Taiwan????

Keltic

How is the US responsible for the split between the PRC and Taiwan? Wasn’t there a civil war in China?

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RE: Weird development of this thread…

Mongo.

What policy of the US caused the attack on NY City?
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RE: Political leaders

Keltic

Please explain how the US is responsible for the state of affairs in Taiwan. How dare the US what? I know the US and others helped China during WWII but the issues between Taiwan and the PRC are the result of the civil war in China, not caused by the US. Its this type of BS comment which I find annoying. It says more about your real attitude toward the US than all your other comments.

Mongu

Correct me if I am wrong, but prior to the Six Day War, Israel’s principle supporters were France and the UK. At that point, they effectively abandoned Israel and it was left up to the US to step in and prevent a second holocaust. Muslims hate the Jews therefore the US is hated. The Arab countries have to externalize their own internal problems because it deverts attention from the fact that they are the cause of their own inadequate policies. Its easy to blame the US. Thats why some in the middle east celebrated the attack on the US last September. Not very original analysis and undoubtably an oversimplification but probably not far off the mark.

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